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Ukraine’s cross-border tactics are aimed at destabilizing Russia. Judging by the response, they’re working
CNN.com ^ | June 3, 2023 | Sam Kiley

Posted on 06/03/2023 6:05:56 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

Ukraine has opened a new front in its battle to drive out the Russian invader - in Russia. But it is oddly coy about admitting that it has sent troops, fired artillery, and flown drones into its neighbor’s territory.

The operations of Russian citizens, carrying Ukrainian military ID, wearing Ukrainian uniforms and attacking from Ukraine, remain officially opaque. It is Kyiv’s contribution to what’s become known as “hybrid warfare” in the “grey zone” of contemporary conflict.

The two terms provoked books and a tsunami of excited opinion from an army of pundits when Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014.

Back then, “Little Green Men” in peculiar two-tone sport-hunting uniforms – and Russian military fatigues – appeared in Crimea.

When it was suggested that maybe, just maybe, these men were actually Russian troops, Vladimir Putin quipped “You can go to a store and buy any kind of uniform”.

Moscow’s official line was that the men who raised the Russian flag over Simferopol and stormed Crimea’s local parliament were “self defense units” of pro-Russian Ukrainians anxious to bring their territory under Moscow’s rule.

By the time Moscow admitted that its troops were actually in Ukraine, a large chunk of the former Soviet 14-year-old nation was under Putin’s control.

Now, on a small scale, Ukraine is adapting those same tactics to try to secure strategic effect.

The Russian Volunteer Corps and the Freedom for Russia Legion – which fall under Ukraine’s Defence Intelligence structure – have been conducting short cross-border raids into Russia.

The principal aim? Destabilization.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; Ukraine
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To: iontheball
The same is true in this country. The military-industrial complex oligarch numbers and fortunes have increased exponentially with this insane conflict. Oligarchs on both sides are the winners while the common man is the pawn.

Absolutely!!! The only victors in Ukraine will be foreign oligarchs, corrupt politicians, and the 25% of the population took the opportunity to get the heck out of a “shit-hole” country that no one in the West actually could give a rat's behind about.

The losers are the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and Russians who have been killed or mutilated, the 75% of the population who will still be trying to pick up the pieces for decades to come, and let's not forget the taxpayers and energy consumers who have been paying through the nose for the $100s of Billions that have been transferred to all those newly minted billionaires and corrupt politicians. In many cases their retirements if they had any have been basically wiped out by runaway inflation, the new normal.

But once again the blood thirsty gullible idiots have revealed who they are. It would be a good idea to save a few notes for future reference.


81 posted on 06/03/2023 2:41:11 PM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: delta7

With others, I have posted the UN reports on civilian casualties. These are based on the actual numbers that the so-called Donbas “republics” themselves submitted. They do not support your allegations. Give your lie a rest.


82 posted on 06/03/2023 3:02:42 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: BlackbirdSST

Well, you said you love America. That counts.

So what’s your question?


83 posted on 06/03/2023 3:13:46 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: fireman15

putin is responsible for everything you predict

putin

this is putin’s war


84 posted on 06/03/2023 4:06:24 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: fireman15

And what would you have Ukraine do? Just surrender and accept Russian domination?


85 posted on 06/03/2023 5:26:49 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

This entire crisis was predicted nearly a decade ago. As is typical with foreign policy... nothing is as it seems. What has happened went exactly as malevolent individuals with lots of money, corrupt politicians, and game playing intelligence agencies wanted. Russia was lured or pushed or however you want to characterize it, into what those who were pushing for this situation wanted. Biden claiming that nothing would be done if it was a “minor incursion” was the last push that was necessary.

But nothing has gone the way that was predicted. The geniuses who thought this crap up were not geniuses after all. And yes, it is now a complete mess and there are no good options for anyone. Russia has an economy less than a 20th of that of NATO and the United States and yet they are obviously the favorites to prevail, and they have prospered from the “sanctions” that were supposed to bring them to their knees.

And yes, the corrupt regime in Ukraine should be negotiating for peace and doing everything necessary to obtain it. This entire situation has been botched but with the United States assistance they might still be able to get some kind of settlement that will maintain their autonomy.


86 posted on 06/03/2023 7:02:47 PM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: Petrosius

Here is an article that was written in 2014 for Foreign Affairs magazine by John Mearsheimer.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2014-08-18/why-ukraine-crisis-west-s-fault

It is behind a paywall.

Here is the final paragraph:

“The United States and its European allies now face a choice on Ukraine. They can continue their current policy, which will exacerbate hostilities with Russia and devastate Ukraine in the process — a scenario in which everyone would come out a loser. Or they can switch gears and work to create a prosperous but neutral Ukraine, one that does not threaten Russia and allows the West to repair its relations with Moscow. With that approach, all sides would win.”

If you look hard enough the complete article is available from several sources for free. Reading it will be worth it if you really hope to understand the true nature of this conflict.

If you have a library card here is a free source:

https://www.proquest.com/docview/1559077230?rfr_id=info%3Axri%2Fsid%3Aprimo


87 posted on 06/03/2023 7:18:41 PM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: fireman15

I would agree that a neutral Ukraine would probably be best, but it must be linked to a complete Russian withdrawal from Ukraine. Unfortunately, I do not think that this is something that Putin would agree to; not for the good of Russia but for his own good. Russia could prosper with a withdrawal and a neutral Ukraine. Putin, however, would fall. For this reason Putin cannot agree to any reasonable peace that would respect Ukrainian independence.


88 posted on 06/03/2023 8:42:17 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: fireman15

“Here is an article that was written in 2014 for Foreign Affairs magazine by John Mearsheimer.”

Anti Semite and anti Israeli...pro Palestinian wack job.


89 posted on 06/03/2023 8:53:52 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: rbmillerjr
Anti Semite and anti Israeli...pro Palestinian wack job.

Links please! Are we expected to trust character assassination from a known mentally ill “wack job”

90 posted on 06/03/2023 9:22:00 PM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: fireman15

Go to the loons Wiki page.


91 posted on 06/03/2023 9:26:05 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: rbmillerjr
Go to the loons Wiki page.

OK, here it is...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer

I am sure that your wiki compares favorably. /s But you are a fan of Jack Nicholson so even though you are a lying, ignorant blood thirsty war monger who appears to be suffering from a mental disorder... you can't be all bad. Or maybe you are; I don't know. What I know for sure is that you are a mental midget compared to this guy.

John Joseph Mearsheimer Born December 14, 1947 (age 75) New York City, U.S. Education United States Military Academy (BS) University of Southern California (MA) Cornell University (PhD) School Neorealism Institutions University of Chicago Main interests International relations theory, international security, deterrence theory[1][2] Notable ideas Offensive realism John Joseph Mearsheimer (/ˈmɪərʃaɪmər/; born December 14, 1947) is an American political scientist and international relations scholar, who belongs to the realist school of thought. He is the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor at the University of Chicago. He has been described as the most influential realist of his generation.[3]

Mearsheimer is best known for developing the theory of offensive realism, which describes the interaction between great powers as being primarily driven by the rational desire to achieve regional hegemony in an anarchic international system. In accordance with his theory, Mearsheimer believes that China's growing power will likely bring it into conflict with the United States.

In his 2007 book The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, Mearsheimer argues that the Israeli lobby wields disproportionate influence over U.S. foreign policy.

Early life
Mearsheimer was born in December 1947 in Brooklyn, New York City. When he was eight, he moved with his family to Croton-on-Hudson, a suburb in Westchester County.[4] When he was 17, Mearsheimer enlisted in the U.S. Army. After one year as an enlisted member, he obtained an appointment to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, which he attended from 1966 to 1970. After graduation, he served for five years as an officer in the U.S. Air Force.[5][6]

In 1974, while he was in the Air Force, Mearsheimer earned a master's degree in international relations from the University of Southern California. He entered Cornell University and in 1980 earned a PhD in government, specifically in international relations. From 1978 to 1979, he was a research fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington, DC. From 1980 to 1982, he was a postdoctoral fellow at Harvard University's Center for International Affairs. During the 1998–1999 academic year, he was the Whitney H. Shepardson Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.[4]

Career
Since 1982, Mearsheimer has been a member of the faculty of the Department of Political Science at the University of Chicago.[7] He became an associate professor in 1984 and a full professor in 1987 and was appointed the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor in 1996. From 1989 to 1992, he served as chairman of the department. He also holds a position as a faculty member in the Committee on International Relations graduate program, and he is a co-director of the Program on International Security Policy.[8]

Mearsheimer’s books include Conventional Deterrence (1983), which won the Edgar S. Furniss Jr. Book Award; Nuclear Deterrence: Ethics and Strategy (co-editor, 1985); Liddell Hart and the Weight of History (1988); The Tragedy of Great Power Politics (2001), which won the Lepgold Book Prize; The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy (2007); and Why Leaders Lie: The Truth About Lying in International Politics (2011). His articles have appeared in academic journals like International Security and popular magazines like the London Review of Books. He has written op-ed pieces for The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and the Chicago Tribune.[8]

Mearsheimer has won several teaching awards. He received the Clark Award for Distinguished Teaching when he was a graduate student at Cornell in 1977, and he won the Quantrell Award for Excellence in Undergraduate Teaching at the University of Chicago in 1985. In addition, he was selected as a Phi Beta Kappa Visiting Scholar for the 1993–1994 academic year. In that capacity, he gave a series of talks at eight colleges and universities. In 2003, he was elected to the American Academy of Arts and Sciences.[8] He is the recipient of the American Political Science Association's 2020 James Madison Award, which is presented every three years to an American political scientist who has made distinguished scholarly contributions. The Award Committee noted that Mearsheimer is “one of the most cited International Relations scholars in the discipline, but his works are read well beyond the academy as well.”[9]

Mearsheimer’s works are widely read and debated[according to whom?] by 21st century students of international relations. A 2017 survey of U.S. international relations faculty ranks him third among “scholars whose work has had the greatest influence on the field of IR in the past 20 years.”[10]

92 posted on 06/04/2023 6:28:27 AM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: fireman15

Ahh, do you work for the FBI/Facebook Censoring Section.

LOL You are a tool. Way to not put the ANTISEMITE SECTION in there.

LMAO


93 posted on 06/04/2023 7:13:32 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: rbmillerjr

Interesting. You, who constantly attempts to restrict free discussion with lies and slander projects your motives onto others. You truly are a disgusting character. I PROVIDED THE LINK! THERE IS NO “ANTISEMITE SECTION”!


94 posted on 06/04/2023 7:32:29 AM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: fireman15

That’s a lie.

Should I prove you a liar?


95 posted on 06/04/2023 7:37:23 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: rbmillerjr

From your link...

Allegations of antisemitism

In 2011, John Mearsheimer wrote a back-cover blurb for controversial author Gilad Atzmon’s book The Wandering Who? A Study of Jewish Identity Politics: “Gilad Atzmon has written a fascinating and provocative book on Jewish identity in the modern world. He shows how assimilation and liberalism are making it increasingly difficult for Jews in the Diaspora to maintain a powerful sense of their ‘Jewishness.’ Panicked Jewish leaders, he argues, have turned to Zionism (blind loyalty to Israel) and scaremongering (the threat of another Holocaust) to keep the tribe united and distinct from the surrounding goyim. As Atzmon’s own case demonstrates, this strategy is not working and is causing many Jews great anguish. The Wandering Who? should be widely read by Jews and non-Jews alike.”[45]

Mearsheimer’s endorsement of Atzmon’s book was met with accusations of antisemitism by prominent Jewish writers and intellectuals. Alan Dershowitz wrote an article in response, “Why are John Mearsheimer and Richard Falk Endorsing a Blatantly Anti-Semitic Book?” It stated that the book “argues that Jews seek to control the world.”[46]

Mearsheimer denied the charges of antisemitism in that he had “no reason to amend it or embellish” his blurb[47] and defended his position. Writing in regard to the charge by Goldberg that Atzmon is antisemitic and, by implication, so is his positive review of Atzmon’s book, Mearsheimer responded: “Atzmon’s basic point is that Jews often talk in universalistic terms, but many of them think and act in particularistic terms. One might say they talk like liberals but act like nationalists.... It is in this context that he discusses what he calls the ‘Holocaust religion,’ Zionism, and Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. Again, to be perfectly clear, he has no animus toward Judaism as a religion or with individuals who are Jewish by birth.”[45]


96 posted on 06/04/2023 7:43:51 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: rbmillerjr

By all means.. go ahead!


97 posted on 06/04/2023 7:57:04 AM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: fireman15

From your link...

Allegations of antisemitism

In 2011, John Mearsheimer wrote a back-cover blurb for controversial author Gilad Atzmon’s book The Wandering Who? A Study of Jewish Identity Politics: “Gilad Atzmon has written a fascinating and provocative book on Jewish identity in the modern world. He shows how assimilation and liberalism are making it increasingly difficult for Jews in the Diaspora to maintain a powerful sense of their ‘Jewishness.’ Panicked Jewish leaders, he argues, have turned to Zionism (blind loyalty to Israel) and scaremongering (the threat of another Holocaust) to keep the tribe united and distinct from the surrounding goyim. As Atzmon’s own case demonstrates, this strategy is not working and is causing many Jews great anguish. The Wandering Who? should be widely read by Jews and non-Jews alike.”[45]

Mearsheimer’s endorsement of Atzmon’s book was met with accusations of antisemitism by prominent Jewish writers and intellectuals. Alan Dershowitz wrote an article in response, “Why are John Mearsheimer and Richard Falk Endorsing a Blatantly Anti-Semitic Book?” It stated that the book “argues that Jews seek to control the world.”[46]

Mearsheimer denied the charges of antisemitism in that he had “no reason to amend it or embellish” his blurb[47] and defended his position. Writing in regard to the charge by Goldberg that Atzmon is antisemitic and, by implication, so is his positive review of Atzmon’s book, Mearsheimer responded: “Atzmon’s basic point is that Jews often talk in universalistic terms, but many of them think and act in particularistic terms. One might say they talk like liberals but act like nationalists.... It is in this context that he discusses what he calls the ‘Holocaust religion,’ Zionism, and Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. Again, to be perfectly clear, he has no animus toward Judaism as a religion or with individuals who are Jewish by birth.”[45]


98 posted on 06/04/2023 8:05:04 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: rbmillerjr
Interesting how you posted your lame explanation to yourself so that I hopefully wouldn't see it.

Anyone who is critical of any policy involving Israel is accused of antisemitism. The back cover blurb sounds about as antisemitic as a Friskies commercial. And this is what you are jumping up and down about? I didn't copy the entire Wikipedia article because it was long and would have been a waste of bandwidth.

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99 posted on 06/04/2023 8:12:55 AM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: fireman15

Accused by multiple Jews and orgs for being antisemitic.

“I didn’t copy the entire Wikipedia article because it was long and would have been a waste of bandwidth.”

So, you didn’t read it or were you too ignorant to understand it?


100 posted on 06/04/2023 8:15:34 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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