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To: whitney69

And God Bless Trump for starting the arming of Ukraine so it could defend itself. Credit to Biden for carrying that policy forward. The one thing I can give Biden credit for even though I wont vote for him.


9 posted on 05/27/2023 9:35:02 AM PDT by dominusobiscum (A Christians true heart can be revealed by how they treat others anonymously on discussion forums.)
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To: dominusobiscum
And God Bless Trump for starting the arming of Ukraine so it could defend itself.

This never happened at all. The Obama and Trump administrations didn't arm Ukraine.

How successive U.S. administrations resisted arming Ukraine
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/obama-trump-biden-ukraine-military-aid-1.6371378

The U.S. has been rushing to arm Ukraine, but for years it stalled on providing weapons
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/02/27/ukraine-us-arms-supply/

19 posted on 05/27/2023 10:32:38 AM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: dominusobiscum

“And God Bless Trump for starting the arming of Ukraine...”

No, he didn’t. From 2014, when Russia first invaded Ukraine, through February 27, 2023, the United States has committed about $34 billion in security assistance. Of this amount, the Biden Administration has committed more than $31.7 billion in security assistance since the start of the 2022 war.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12040#:~:text=After%20Russia%20first%20invaded%20Ukraine,%2C%20uniforms%2C%20medical%20kits%2C%20and

The Ukraine decided to release themselves in 1991 when the Soviets disbanded in Russia. Russia had no way of stopping it even though they were against it but there were a number of satellites that bailed on them and Russia was in a transition phase of their government.

So I feel the Ukraine made the decision to pull out of a governing relationship with Russia and that’s their decision, they should fight their own battles.

The Ukraine is nothing more than a financial operation for the US. We have federal things in there like nuclear, prisons, and we export metal, fertilizer and seed oils. They are not a member of any organization the US is involved with. But they aren’t the only group we have protected either with money or bodies over the last few years. And this time, we are in a financial low point that could be costly to our nation for it.

Through Fiscal Year 2022, the United States federal government has spent and obligated $8 trillion dollars on the post-9/11 wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and elsewhere. This figure includes: direct Congressional war appropriations; war-related increases to the Pentagon base budget; veterans care and disability; increases in the homeland security budget; interest payments on direct war borrowing; foreign assistance spending; and estimated future obligations for veterans’ care.

This total omits many other expenses, such as the macroeconomic costs to the US economy; the opportunity costs of not investing war dollars in alternative sectors; future interest on war borrowing; and local government and private war costs.

And it has a down the road effect.

The current wars have been paid for almost entirely by borrowing. This borrowing has raised the US budget deficit, increased the national debt, and had other macroeconomic effects, such as raising consumer interest rates. Unless the US immediately repays the money borrowed for war, there will also be future interest payments. We estimate that interest payments could total over $6.5 trillion by the 2050s.

And at a local level:

Spending on the wars has involved opportunity costs for the US economy. Although military spending does produce jobs, spending in other areas such as health care could produce more jobs. Additionally, investment in nonmilitary public infrastructure such as roads and schools has not grown at the same rate as investment in military infrastructure.

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/economic

The US has not been in a war as the primary combatant since the end of WW II. From Korea forward, we have been a secondary contributor to every firefight like Vietnam, Serbia, Afghanistan, and many others the public doesn’t know about. It was the Ukraine’s decision to start the conflict in 1991 when they defied Russia. They need to either skit or get off the pot. And the only difference is from all the scenarios is that we, officially, haven’t put boots on the ground openly. Otherwise, huge amounts of money and people have been harmed with this US government stupidity and is going to get worse when the Ukraine defaults on the bills.

wy69


22 posted on 05/27/2023 11:01:29 AM PDT by whitney69
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To: dominusobiscum

Obama’s policy of refusing to send weapons was shameful and stupid! The media should shred him for that, but of course they won’t. They conveniently forget that the first real weapons were sent by the Trump administration.


23 posted on 05/27/2023 11:02:27 AM PDT by Krosan
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