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To: rlmorel
Your point (much discussed on this forum) is that the Federal governnment has little to no control over certain aspects of the election process, such as Ballot Harvesting, Ranked Choice voting, how votes are collected, tallied, and resulted, and that is fair enough

My point was, there is only one Presidential election in the Constitution, it takes place in December since 1936, and since 1964 there are 538 voters. 535 of those 538 voters are appointed by State Legislatures, the other 3 are appointed by Congress.

In December 2020, 306 of those voters voted for Biden and he was thereby elected President.

Neither Article II or Amendment XII says anything about members of the public voting in a "Presidential election" in November, and that method could be dispensed with by any State or by all of them without infringing the Constitution by an inch.

171 posted on 05/22/2023 7:45:39 AM PDT by Jim Noble (It is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government)
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To: Jim Noble

You said there was nothing about Presidential Elections in article II. I maintain there is.

I did not say anything about members of the public voting. Not anywhere in my posts. But there is indeed information about Presidential Elections in Article II.

Do I think there should be more Federal control? As Anti-Federalist as I have become in my life, allowing a dog’s breakfast of election processes is a damned mistake of gargantuan proportions.

Instead of plugging one hole or multiple holes in one area, we have to plug multiple holes in 50 different states.

One of the things that is genius about our makeup (or used to be genius) was the fact that anything not delegated to the Federal Government was the province of the states.

That way, people would be free to choose the state that had the best aspects of what they are interested in, be it school policies, tax policies, gun rights, whatever.

But it was a serious mistake to leave Elections of the President up to each state. I say that because fraud in one state affects the outcome of the whole. If it were seats in the house or senate, I would be less vocal about it. But because voting processes (or lack of voting processes, or even worse, deliberately corrupted voter processes) in other states directly affect the outcome of the Presidential election for states that run them efficiently and void of corruption, I feel differently about them.

Given that the Constitution set a day in December to count the Electoral votes, those votes had to be tallied in states and delegates appointed, and a physical journey had to be made, which was quite relevant in 1789 to the process of starting the election earlier to make that requirement possible.

The Founders did a great job at hemming in those who would subvert government, but leaving this giant hole in place, to be exploited by the Left is a massive error.

The Constitution is a wonderful document for running a country, but it isn’t perfect, and this is one of the main ways it is imperfect. If there was ever a need for a Constitutional Amendment, this would be one need we should address. If we don’t, we are finished, because we are going to become balkanized (we already are) and will end up in a civil war.


218 posted on 05/22/2023 2:38:35 PM PDT by rlmorel ("If you think tough men are dangerous, just wait until you see what weak men are capable of." JBP)
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