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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 21 May 2023
Various driveby media television networks ^ | 21 May 2023 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 05/21/2023 4:55:34 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!

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To: kabar
As usual your charts are excellent.I'm not surprised to see dade county/Miami losing people its been going down for years.
Looks like a mass migration for Miss. as well, poor economy.
61 posted on 05/21/2023 7:55:38 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!! ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY: UNTIL ITS NOT)
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To: patriotspride
Excellent question. Shes not much on follow-up. Probably has a list of “must ask” questions from someone at FNC hard to say who.gotta get those chatting points out.
62 posted on 05/21/2023 7:57:27 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!! ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY: UNTIL ITS NOT)
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To: rodguy911

Exactly. We have a compromised, illegitimate President. Biden is the Manchurian President.


63 posted on 05/21/2023 7:57:57 AM PDT by kabar
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To: DanZ

Not too surprising....


64 posted on 05/21/2023 7:58:22 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!! ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY: UNTIL ITS NOT)
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To: rodguy911

Jordan saying he will defund the fbi wherever possible to send a message to them.

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Hope it happens but that doesn’t solve the problem that they will find some other non punishable way to continue to do,the things they do.

Minimally guilty parties should be suspended without pay as would happen in most businesses if outright termination wasn’t done.


65 posted on 05/21/2023 7:58:55 AM PDT by patriotspride (Third generation Vet. Never forget the true cost of freedom)
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To: rodguy911

We have an aging population with 10,000 people turning 65 every day. They are retiring from wintry Midwest and Northeast to sunnier climes. Generally, the cost of living is less along with lower taxes.


66 posted on 05/21/2023 8:00:36 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Steven Tyler

I’ll wager Christie runs when he hears three words: “Dinner is ready.”


67 posted on 05/21/2023 8:04:02 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Alvin Bragg: Giving Trumped-Up Charges a whole new meaning)
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To: kabar

Great link and insight. It goes deeper than the known payers in all likelihood as they want ‘ plausible , not me , deniability “ if ever caught


68 posted on 05/21/2023 8:07:19 AM PDT by patriotspride (Third generation Vet. Never forget the true cost of freedom)
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To: patriotspride
Here is an excellent article by Lee Smith.

Lee Smith: The Durham Coverup

Reading through the newly released Durham Report, there’s a lot to absorb and I plan to be filling several reviews in the coming days. But it struck me that the section of the report detailing an aspect of John Brennan’s role in the Clinton campaign and Obama administration’s operation targeting Donald Trump and his aides was most urgent. LS.

The only genuine piece of Russian intelligence that US spy services ever received about Donald Trump’s ties to Russia was intelligence that Russia knew Hillary Clinton backed a 2016 campaign plan to smear Trump as a Russian agent.

According to John Durham’s 300-page report, the information reached the CIA in late July 2016. Brennan told Durham that on August 3 he briefed President Barack Obama at the White House on what the special counsel refers to as the Clinton Plan intelligence. Others in attendance at the meeting were Vice President Joe Biden, Attorney General Loretta Lynch, and FBI Director James Comey.

Imagine Comey’s reaction when he first heard of the Clinton Plan intelligence, only days after the July 31 start date for the FBI’s investigation into Trump’s alleged ties to Russia, code-named Crossfire Hurricane: So, if it’s just a dirty trick staged by the Clinton campaign, I should shut down the Trump-Russia probe, right?

Right. There is little chance Brennan said anything about the Clinton Plan intelligence in that August 3 meeting. Reading the Durham report, it’s not even clear when Brennan first found out about it or the September 2016 CIA memo referring the Clinton Plan intelligence to the FBI’s counterintelligence division.

Brennan’s handwritten notes memorializing his allegedly briefing Obama on the Clinton Plan and the CIA’s referral letter were both declassified by Trump’s Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe in October 2020. Durham’s report sheds light on how the information and subsequent CIA memo were received, who knew about them, and perhaps more significantly who didn’t.

According to the report, virtually none of the officials interviewed by Durham knew about the Clinton Plan intelligence or the referral memo. Former FBI general counsel James Baker “stated that he had neither seen nor heard of the Clinton Plan intelligence or the resulting Referral Memo prior to his interview” with Durham.

Same with Supervisory Special Agent-1, reportedly FBI agent Joe Pientka. According to the report, when Durham showed Pientka the information, he became “visibly upset and emotional, left the interview room with his counsel, and subsequently returned to state emphatically that he had never been apprised of the Clinton Plan intelligence and had never seen the aforementioned Referral Memo. Supervisory Special Agent-1 expressed a sense of betrayal that no one had informed him of the intelligence.”

The reason so few FBI officials knew of the Clinton Plan information is because it was buried. Otherwise, it would have implicated senior Obama officials — from the president and vice president and his security chiefs — and the Crossfire Hurricane team in an illegal surveillance and propaganda operation targeting a presidential campaign.

But how did the Russians know it started with Hillary Clinton? Did they have spies buried deep inside the Democratic National Committee? Maybe Christopher Steele, British ex-spy and author of the Clinton-funded memos tying Trump to Russia, had been compromised by one of the Russian oligarchs he worked for?

No, you wouldn’t have needed an intelligence service to find out the Clinton campaign was using Moscow as an instrument to smear the GOP candidate. By the end of July, much of the anti-Trump campaign was public.

As I explained in my 2019 book The Plot Against the President, the media piece of Russiagate started in Winter 2016 when pro-Clinton reporters first started calling Trump and his aides Russian agents. With Franklin Foer’s July 4 Slatearticle, “Putin’s Puppet,” the press component of the Russia-collusion narrative was in full swing.

In a July 21 Washington Post column, Anne Applebaum cited Foer’s piece and asserted that “Russia is clearly participating in the Trump campaign.” In an Atlantic article published the same day, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote that Trump has chosen “to unmask himself as a de facto agent of Russian president Vladimir Putin.”

Before the end of July, scores of articles in the Weekly Standard, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, the New York Timesand elsewhere made the same case: Donald Trump, according to Times columnist Paul Krugman, was the “Siberian candidate.”

Russiagate reporters typically referenced each other's articles to create an unmistakable echo chamber effect. Media analysts at the Russian foreign ministry or in any Russian embassy couldn’t have missed the frequency with which the US press kept inserting their government into a vague account of the Republican candidate’s uncertain loyalties. Thus, it would not have been hard to figure out who was the beneficiary of this extraordinary amount of newsprint devoted to promoting a storyline labeling Trump a Russian agent.

The Durham report does not disclose how US intelligence agencies found out the Russians were discussing the Clinton Plan. Perhaps it came through the signals intelligence that British agencies and other foreign services reportedly shared with Washington.

On August 22, an FBI cyber-analyst passed the Clinton Plan intelligence on to two members of the Crossfire Hurricane team, including fixer Brian Auten. A 2019 Justice Department report faulted Auten for failing to verify the Clinton-funded Steele dossier tying Trump to Russia. In other words, he cleared the central piece of evidence, now thoroughly discredited, that the FBI used to obtain the warrant to spy on the Trump campaign. According to Durham: “None of the FBI personnel who agreed to be interviewed could specifically recall receiving this Referral Memo, nor did anyone recall the FBI doing anything in response to the Referral Memo.” Auten said that he couldn’t remember if he shared the memo with other members of the Crossfire Hurricane team.

If Brennan was briefed on it at the time, it seems he didn’t share it with anyone — he almost certainly had not spoken of it during the August 3 meeting with Obama and other administration officials. There’s no evidence that Brennan briefed congressional oversight committees on what US agencies had picked up from the Russians on the Clinton Plan. Nor did he say anything about it when he testified before the House Intelligence Committee in May 2017.

Most significantly, it’s not part of the intelligence that was used to produce the January 2017 intelligence community assessment on Russian interference in the 2016 election that Obama directed Brennan to finish before Trump came to office. Indeed, the Clinton Plan intelligence would serve as a powerful rebuttal to the ICA’s central conclusion that Putin sought to help Trump win the 2016 election.

Evidence of Brennan’s hiding the Clinton Plan intelligence and CIA referral letter would strongly suggest that he was a crucial part of the effort to target Trump as a Russian agent.

Perhaps it was rumor of Pientka’s rage after Durham showed him the Clinton Plan intelligence and the referral memo in a July 22, 2020 interview that Brennan moved to protect himself. It was nearly a month later, August 21, when he sat for an eight-hour long interview with Durham. Brennan said that he couldn’t remember when he first received the Clinton Plan intelligence but there was evidence that he didn’t hide it — handwritten notes proving that he told Obama, Biden, Lynch and Comey all about it.

Durham states in his report that he declined to pursue a criminal case related to the Clinton Plan intelligence because it “would face what in all likelihood would be insurmountable classification issues given the highly sensitive nature of the information itself.”

And thus, the section on the Clinton Plan intelligence concludes: the government’s treatment of the information “may have amounted to a significant intelligence failure and a troubling instance in which confirmation bias and a tunnel-vision pursuit of investigative ends may have caused government personnel to fail to appreciate the extent to which uncorroborated reporting funded by an opposing political campaign was intended to influence rather than inform the FBI. It did not, all things considered, however, amount to a provable criminal offense.”

69 posted on 05/21/2023 8:09:02 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Fishtalk

All very nice. The one on the right reminds me of my first employer, Howard Johnson’s!


70 posted on 05/21/2023 8:09:03 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Gov't declaring misinformation is tyranny: “Who determines what false information is?” )
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To: kabar; All
From what I have read the war actually started in 2014 as the Azov nazis in Ukraine started attacking the Donbass an area near the border of Russia.

Many in the area are more loyal to Russia than Ukraine and the Nazis took advantage of that and stirred the pot for years. Some 60,000 migrated to Russia and thousands were killed during the near endless fighting.

Finally Russia had enough and fought back. It's been a disaster ever since and needs to end.

The biden adm. keeps it going since it can weaken the US by gutting what's left after leaving 87 billion in arms in Afghanistan. Now they are trying to give the rest to Ukraine.Biden/obama wants to send planes to the Ukraine with Taiwan desperate for arms we have already pledged to give them.

Evidently, the laundry is more lucrative for O'biden in Ukraine than in Taiwan which is anything but pure.

Bottom line, it's all a disaster with Obama still in charge and done on purpose as well. In the end cia makes many if not most of the calls and their mission is always the same:

Chaos!!

71 posted on 05/21/2023 8:09:49 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!! ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY: UNTIL ITS NOT)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Okay, Mr. Leghorn. That went over my little egg head!

72 posted on 05/21/2023 8:12:34 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Gov't declaring misinformation is tyranny: “Who determines what false information is?” )
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To: kabar
Not much question about that.MTG,Marjorie Taylor Greene,threatened to impeach him last week.

this lady has guts:


73 posted on 05/21/2023 8:13:28 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!! ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY: UNTIL ITS NOT)
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To: patriotspride
Next thing you know, the President will appear before Congress like this:

Idiocracy is already here!

74 posted on 05/21/2023 8:15:14 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Gov't declaring misinformation is tyranny: “Who determines what false information is?” )
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To: kabar

Durham states in his report that he declined to pursue a criminal case related to the Clinton Plan intelligence because it “would face what in all likelihood would be insurmountable classification issues given the highly sensitive nature of the information itself.”

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Thanks for the overall post and link.

The last part shows how Washington works. Built in safeguards of classification issues.

In other words we know, but you cant ,even if we know it’s BS.


75 posted on 05/21/2023 8:17:08 AM PDT by patriotspride (Third generation Vet. Never forget the true cost of freedom)
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To: patriotspride
You are right bud,the only thing that will help is the return of Donald J. Trump and it cant happen too soon for me!!

photos of Trump not many know it but Trum is a man of the people:


76 posted on 05/21/2023 8:17:16 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!! ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY: UNTIL ITS NOT)
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To: kabar

Yeah but they are also a pain in the ass.....


77 posted on 05/21/2023 8:17:56 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!! ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY: UNTIL ITS NOT)
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To: kabar

Great analysis doing what Durham did is a near impossible task,just think of how much there was to cover over the past three years,how do you cover it all and keep everyone happy,a near impossible task.


78 posted on 05/21/2023 8:19:59 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!! ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY: UNTIL ITS NOT)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Good one.... Thanks for posting this thread and the effort it takes. Hope your recovery goes well, we need you around......


79 posted on 05/21/2023 8:20:08 AM PDT by patriotspride (Third generation Vet. Never forget the true cost of freedom)
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To: rodguy911
The war began in 2014 after the US/EU engineered coup led by Victoria Nuland removed the duly-elected, pro-Russian Ukrainian President. This spawned the separatist movement in the Donbas and provoked the first Russian invasion that resulted ultimately in the annexation of Crimea, which was unopposed.

Jack Matlock, a career Foreign Service Officer and the last American ambassador to the Soviet Union, wrote an excellent precis on the historical context of the situation in Ukraine, Ukraine: Tragedy of a Nation Divided Worth a read.

Matlock became interested in Russia as a Duke University undergraduate, and after studies at Columbia University and a stint as a Russian-language instructor at Dartmouth College, entered the Foreign Service in 1956. His 35-year career encompassed much of the Cold War period between the Soviet Union and the United States. His first assignment to Moscow was in 1961, and it was from the embassy there that he experienced the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, helping to translate diplomatic messages between the leaders. The next year he was posted to West Africa, and he later served in East Africa, during the post-colonial period of superpower rivalry.

At the beginning of détente, he was director of Soviet affairs in the State Department, and began to participate in the summit meetings between the leaders, eventually attending all but one of the U.S.–Soviet summits held in the 20-year period 1972–91. Matlock was back in Moscow in 1974, serving in the number two position in the embassy for four years. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in early 1980 ended the period of reduced tensions. Matlock was assigned to Moscow again in 1981 as acting ambassador during the first part of Ronald Reagan's presidency. Reagan appointed him as ambassador to Czechoslovakia and later asked him to return to Washington in 1983 to work at the National Security Council, with the assignment to develop a negotiating strategy to end the arms race. When Mikhail Gorbachev became the leader of the Soviet Union in 1985, arms negotiations and summit meetings resumed. Matlock was appointed ambassador to the Soviet Union in 1987 and saw the last years of the Soviet Union before he retired from the Foreign Service in 1991.

After leaving the Foreign Service, he wrote an account of the end of the Soviet Union titled Autopsy on an Empire, followed by an account of the end of the Cold War titled Reagan and Gorbachev: How the Cold War Ended, establishing his reputation as a historian. He joined the faculty of the Institute for Advanced Study and he went on to teach diplomacy at several New England colleges. In

80 posted on 05/21/2023 8:22:26 AM PDT by kabar
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