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Ukraine losing support in Europe? Majority of Germans oppose Kyiv's NATO membership - poll
Hindustan Times ^ | 5/14/23 | Staff

Posted on 05/14/2023 8:41:50 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...

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To: tlozo
Pointless poll

No it isn't. It gauges the collapsing support of the Little Grease Spot, and money and arms support will soon be collapsing also.

21 posted on 05/14/2023 9:16:35 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: Jim Noble

So surely neocons and all those in government who say they support “sovereignty” of nations would support Germany in that, right?


22 posted on 05/14/2023 9:16:51 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: tlozo
Its why Poland is beefing up its military.

Has Poland ever won a war?

23 posted on 05/14/2023 9:18:18 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: Its All Over Except ...
Good thing European subjects have zero say in anything that happens to them.

Well, the French seem to resist now and then.

24 posted on 05/14/2023 9:18:27 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: JonPreston
No it isn't. It gauges the collapsing support

Its a poll on Ukraine joining NATO among Germans. Was there ever a majority in favor?

25 posted on 05/14/2023 9:19:20 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Its All Over Except ...

“The political West is ultimately a community of values. Two such values, perhaps the two most fundamental, are the freedom of speech and assembly. One doesn’t have to be a supporter of same-sex marriage or gay adoption or any other contentious social issue to believe that the right of people to demonstrate and speak their mind is sacrosanct in a democratic society.”

Oh really? Do tell us more about that right and who it encompasses.


26 posted on 05/14/2023 9:20:21 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Its All Over Except ...

Does it raise any red flags to you that the only source for this poll is RT (Russian Propaganda) and Hindustan Times (clickbait bot video).

What is the source of the poll? It looks like it is either completely fake, or they are misrepresenting it.


27 posted on 05/14/2023 9:20:29 AM PDT by Wayne07
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To: tlozo

“majority of Germans refuse to defend NATO member even if attacked.”

I guess the Obama-Biden regime getting NATO to go against its defensive charter and offensively attack Libya on unproven allegations that Gaddafi was going to attack 10k of his own people when Libya had not attacked a NATO member might cause Germans to come around to thinking that way.

But sadly, Obama-Biden regime supporters can’t understand this.


28 posted on 05/14/2023 9:22:03 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Sirius Lee

“Good thing European subjects have zero say in anything that happens to them.”

Globalists try to make sure of that.


29 posted on 05/14/2023 9:23:08 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Its All Over Except ...
Libya had not attacked a NATO member might cause Germans to come around to thinking that way.

LOL, right Germans are pacifists because of Libya. Okay

30 posted on 05/14/2023 9:25:13 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo
Was there ever a majority in favor?

That's irrelevant. 27% approval for anything is awful.

31 posted on 05/14/2023 9:25:20 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: DesertRhino

NATO, who supported same sex marriage well before it was rammed down Americans throats, I imagine could try to explain that to you but all they might engage in is spin yet again.


32 posted on 05/14/2023 9:26:42 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Wayne07

Nope, your reply is junk and HT isnt clickbait as you can’t attack the messenger as that is always logically fallacious and you are basically appearing to unqualified Russia! Russia! Russia! attacks.

2nd, the message is what counts, as in the Yougov poll.

Third:

I guess the BBC is also now pro-Putin as HT often cites them.

The BBC shows how they are now obviously pro-Putin.

Ukrainian Army fumes at Pak for supplying ‘poor quality’ rockets | ‘We don’t have ammo...’

Ukrainian Army is angry over Pakistan’s supply of poor quality rockets to its troops currently battling Russian forces in Bakhmut city of Ukraine, BBC has reported. Pakistan, however, has yet again rejected the reports of supplying arms to Ukraine and claimed that it is neutral in the war between Ukraine and Russia. Watch the video for more details.

https://youtu.be/B0fkC0sMhVo

Now the BBC along with the New York Times (below) has become pro-Putin, for if you report information like this you must obviously be pro-Putin as several Freepers have claimed.

Ukrainian soldiers admit Russia ‘can’t be defeated with West arms...’ | Report

A shocking admission by Ukrainian troops fighting Russia on the ground has come up. Ukrainian troops on the frontline say that western arms may not be enough to defeat Russia, according to a report by the New York Times. The Ukrainian fighters also expressed their surprise at the amount of artillery, tanks, helicopters, and jets Russia has deployed on the battlefield. The admission comes at a time when Ukraine is already facing embarrassment after its much-hyped spring offensive was delayed.

...

https://youtu.be/JO8r4SAz6nk

And I guess the NYT is also pro-Putin.


33 posted on 05/14/2023 9:31:38 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Its All Over Except ...

There’s a huge difference from wanting Ukraine as a NATO member to being opposed to the Russian military attack on Ukraine.

Wanting Ukraine to be part of NATO would guarantee NATO members’ hot war with Russia, and nobody with half a brain wants that. I would certainly be against it, too.

But there are a thousand points along that scale of support for Ukraine, and this would be really on the far, far end.


34 posted on 05/14/2023 9:32:31 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Gov't declaring misinformation is tyranny: “Who determines what false information is?” )
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To: BenLurkin

no gays - no Marx - no communism

liberalism will go Obsolete

even forbidden

like Russia


35 posted on 05/14/2023 9:34:45 AM PDT by Firehath
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To: tlozo

Libya all by itself is one thing, but NATO involvement in supplying Ukraine, Nordstream, and the attack on Libya sure doesn’t help, but you tried to minimalize it to one thing ahd it failed when I clearly said the attack on Libya didn’t help.

New York Times
U.S. and NATO Scramble to Arm Ukraine and Refill Their Own Arsenals

“...Smaller countries have exhausted their potential, another NATO official said, with 20 of its 30 members “pretty tapped out.” ...”

But you put out an old poll, you tried to pass off another poll of 47% as being a majority, and you just can’t figure out that you cannot support Obama, Nuland, Sorus, etc, abd be a conservative, so why you are here at FR is anyone’s guess.


36 posted on 05/14/2023 9:39:31 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Its All Over Except ...
you tried to pass off another poll of 47% as being a majority

LOL, if the undecided number is large enough, then 47% can be the majority opinion.

Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more

ma·jor·i·ty noun noun: majority; plural noun: majorities

1. the greater number.

37 posted on 05/14/2023 9:44:25 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Alas Babylon!

If only high gas prices (Reuters article I cited here earlier reflects thus), Nordstream 2, NATO expansionism, etc, didn’t also play roles in this with Germans, and being forced to play Biden’s lapdog.

They are all no doubt bearing down on this no doubt so it isn’t just the fear of hot war on German minds.


38 posted on 05/14/2023 9:45:02 AM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Its All Over Except ...

Germany is American-occupied territory.


39 posted on 05/14/2023 9:48:43 AM PDT by Jim Noble (It is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government)
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40 posted on 05/14/2023 10:08:28 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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