‘War Has to Stop’: I Would End Ukraine War in 24 Hours, Says Trump

Breitbart ^ | 05/04/2023 | PETER CADDLE

[delta7]

Wishful thinking on your part. The Reality is the negotiations will START where the violated Minsk Agreements left off. The Ukies and EU signed the agreement, then pulled out of it.

That my friend is what is currently being discussed, much to the disappointment of Biden’s war cheerleaders.

[Mariner]

Yeah, the “Rules Based Order”.

Applies to every country except the US.

We have just as much interest in preventing the Saudis from supporting the Yemen government. Or making sure the Sudanese rebels do not hang people in the street.

We have no REAL interests in Ukraine. Or Yemen. Or Sudan.

Now, neocons would like everyone to believe that world civilization depends on US hegemony and the “rules Based order”. They’re just have trouble convincing the world of it.

So they lash out in war to make it happen.

Whereas Paleo Conservatives don’t buy any of that silly sh!t. And it enrages the neocons. Foaming at the mouth rage.

But American First will prevail.

[Mariner]

“Strongman fetishizing and America Last in lieu of America First.”

Stupid people believe that.

Good for them. They can believe whatever they wish.

[Vigilanteman]

I think the understanding in my plan is that those regions (who are overwhelmingly ethnic Russian anyway) will vote to join Russia. Putin should know that.

But the Neocon faction doesn't want to be seen as rewarding Russian aggression with territory. So this is more of a way for the neocons to save face.

[PIF]

Yep selfishness beats sacrifice all the time. That’s what made America: great selfishness, completely self-centered, and money grubbing.

As you admit Freedom means nothing to you, so perhaps you should join the Russian army and fight for tyranny?

[PIF]

Hey Jan!! How’s the weather in Moscow now? Getting warmer? Or have you enlisted to fight with the Russian army for genocide and tyranny?

[Vigilanteman]

The reality is that even if the Minsk Agreements were violated, Russia screwed the pooch with real life military aggression, so they ceded the moral high ground.

You got neocon @$$holes and Putin @$$holes both unwilling to stop this stupid war. My outline offers a way for both to save face.

[Leaning Right]

> But the Neocon faction doesn’t want to be seen as rewarding Russian aggression with territory. So this is more of a way for the neocons to save face. <

Very good point, and one I hadn’t considered. Yes, there are three sides in this war. The Russians, the Ukrainians, and the neocons.

[tlozo]

Yeah, the “Rules Based Order”. Applies to every country except the US.

You will let me know whose territory we have annexed since we joined the UN?

So they lash out in war to make it happen.

Right, the US started the Russian invasion. Idiocy

But American First will prevail.

Funding Ukraine with a paltry 100 billion last year to degrade the Russian military, who is our regional rival, IS AMERICA FIRST or is it better to confront them in the Baltics with US soldiers?

[tlozo]

My outline offers a way for both to save face.

It wouldn't work. Millions have fled the Russian occupied areas, who gets to decide who can come back and vote?

[tlozo]

those regions (who are overwhelmingly ethnic Russian anyway) will vote to join Russia

They aren't even majority ethnically Russian, except for Crimea.

[crz]

The Russian claimed territories will come under the direct rule of the Grand Prince/Duke of Russia.

The Russian Orthodox Church recognized him as the legal Heir to the throne of ALL Russia...that includes THE Ukraine, BTW.

He rules as monarch since neither the Russian people nor people from THE Ukraine can be trusted to run affairs within this new region.

Who pays for it? THE Ukraine and Russia. NOT ANYONE ELSE.

They broke it, they fix it.

[TTFX]

Yep selfishness beats sacrifice all the time. That’s what made America: great selfishness, completely self-centered, and money grubbing.

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If you want to help Ukrainians, work, make money, and send it there. Don’t steal it from others.

[Wuli]

“The war end immediately if Trump refused to give Ukraine anymore money to continue it.”

Nonsense.

It that was Trump’s move to “end the war” it would in fact NOT end the war; it would just give Putin a green light to try to finish off Ukraine totally and for good.

[Vigilanteman]

Stopping this stupid war is step one. Sorting out the details comes next. The incentive to sort out the details lies with the fact that war is a hell of a lot more expensive than payments and occupation.

[Vigilanteman]

At least three. The Ukes are unwilling clients of the neocons only because war is preferable to Russian rule at this time.

[PIF]

Are you serious? Or just another selfish Freeper Russian troll scared to help other people fight for their freedom using weapon designed to stop the Russians? Or would you rather feed the deliberately homeless and drug addled, perhaps help more disadvantaged illegals get on their feet, or maybe do a little ballot harvesting for you Dem pals, China and Russia?

[TTFX]

Don’t be selfish. Be generous. Be generous with your money, not with other people’s money.

[Wuli]

“Because he was a very successful foreign policy president.”

In some ways yes and in some ways no. He boasts sometimes when he has no right or cause to boast. He gave the dictator of North Korea a massive, never before given domestic P.R. boost and the U.S. and South Korea got nothing meaningful for it.

I think he may have executed the U.S. departure from Afghanistan (* - (which he neogtiated with the Taliban alone without the Afghan government) in a better manner than did Biden, but in the end, once completed the result in Afghanistan would have been no different. (* - Keeping the Afghan government out of U.S. negotations with the Taliban undermined the Afgan’s soldiers reliability with that government if and when a U.S. departure took place - the U.S. was signalling it preferred to accomodate the Taliban, not the Afghan government).

He may have held off Putin’s further agression against Ukraine but had no diplomatic victory in getting Putin to quit trying to go after Ukraine. He imposed trade measures against China but had no diplomatic victory in changing China’s steady military, political and economic warfare agendas. China got a temporary poke but it changed nothing about the CCP’s agendas. Small victories but not lasting ones as far as the CCP goes.

The Abraham accords is maybe the Trump administration’s signficant diplomatic achievement. But the Russia-Iran alliance in the Middle East remained stronger than ever.

[MalPearce]

Although Minsk 1 was a nonstarter and we can blame Poroshenko for that, Minsk 2 was being delivered by Zelenskyy (albeit not at sufficient pace for Putin).

No aspect of Minsk 2 was implemented by Russia, and Russia was the party that pulled the plug. Despite the agreement requiring Russia to pull Wagner and other Russian forces out of Ukraine, Moscow denied having anyone in Ukraine to pull out. That refusal to even honor the ONE obligation on their part resulted in the Ukrainian Rada hardliners dragging their feet on the Ukrainian commitments in their remit eg lifting the restrictions on official recognition of the Russian language.

Putin took a call from Zelenskyy in July 2020, where he and Zelenskyy congratulated each other on the ceasefire progress and the question of removing combatants from the Donbas was brought up... Putin hasn't spoken directly to Zelenskyy since. His "on Russian Unity" open letter, practically a justification for Russia invading Ukraine, probably didn't help.

list of telephone conversations between Putin and Zelenskyy - on the Kremlin website

Of course, the very first Minsk agreement wasn't actually in Putin's time. It's the Belovezha Accords, which began with a statement ending the USSR, contained trilateral commitments between Ukraine, Belarus and Russia, to recognise each other's borders and accept they were equal but independent. Putin pretty much tore that up when he wrote his essay on Russian and Ukrainian Unity effectively arguing that Ukraine was an ornery client state that got given a delusion of independence.