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Ukraine’s spring offensive a likely death trap for US, NATO
Asia Times ^

Posted on 04/12/2023 4:31:53 AM PDT by FarCenter

Under US guidance, Ukraine is planning a major counteroffensive likely later this Spring when the fields and secondary roads that are not asphalted dry out. Right now most military vehicles cannot operate over open fields and have real difficulty on unpaved secondary roads.

According to leaked alleged Pentagon documents, Ukraine has assembled twelve brigades for the planned military push.

Nine of the twelve brigades are equipped with US and European armor and artillery and the three others are made up of older Russian-origin equipment, some of it modified by Ukraine.

According to the leaked documents, Ukraine can expect big gains from its offensive. But it would seem the reality is quite different. Even the Wall Street Journal, a Ukraine booster, has doubts.

Indeed, the documents themselves tell a different story, which helps explain the mad dash by the Biden administration to try and stop the dissemination of the leaked documents.

The planned Ukrainian late Spring offensive could be a death trap for the US, NATO and even America’s Asian allies.

A brigade is normally between 3,000 and 5,000 soldiers. Using the higher number, Ukraine is planning to commit 60,000 troops in the counteroffensive, focused on an effort to break Russia’s control over Black Sea ports other than Sevastopol.

However, it is likely Ukraine will launch some sort of simultaneous attack on Crimea and Sevastopol, if it can.

The offensive is largely the brainchild of US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland. She is the éminence grise in the Biden administration when it comes to Ukraine.

Nuland has not made any secret of her ambition for Ukraine to take back Crimea. Nuland, who is rigidly anti-Russian and anti-Putin, would like to see the Putin government collapse: achieving that in her view requires an absolute victory by Ukraine over Russia, meaning that Ukraine will retake every square meter of its lost land. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky agrees.


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1 posted on 04/12/2023 4:31:53 AM PDT by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter

NATO will “fight” Russia until the last Ukrainian...

And we are almost there.


2 posted on 04/12/2023 4:36:07 AM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they wacnto diese for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: FarCenter

Warmonger Chickenhawk 101.

But hey, it’s not like anyone she knows will be fighting or dying.

And, why can’t other countries do a Kosovo?

“Nuland has not made any secret of her ambition for Ukraine to take back Crimea. Nuland, who is rigidly anti-Russian and anti-Putin, would like to see the Putin government collapse: achieving that in her view requires an absolute victory by Ukraine over Russia, meaning that Ukraine will retake every square meter of its lost land. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky agrees.”


3 posted on 04/12/2023 4:38:27 AM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they wacnto diese for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: FarCenter

Since when did low IQ people in the State Department run wars? What’s this nut job’s qualifications in warfare?


4 posted on 04/12/2023 4:42:15 AM PDT by Highest Authority (DemonRats are pure EVIL)
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Maybe Nuland and the Vindaman brothers could throw their weight behind this offensive. It's good to see a military expert pushing this Ukrainian offensive. We have a serious douchebag problem at the state department.
5 posted on 04/12/2023 4:43:25 AM PDT by Rdct29 (The Democrats Are The New Nazi Party)
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To: 2banana

Never get tired of repeating Douglas MacGregor’s slogans copied from Tokyo Rose.
It’s a war. People die fighting for their country.

Next meaningless catchphrase, please.


6 posted on 04/12/2023 4:45:22 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Highest Authority
Since when did low IQ people in the State Department run wars?

The State Department has been the coordinating party amongst the alphabets since Bush's EO 13224.

7 posted on 04/12/2023 4:46:01 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: FarCenter

Hard to see this offensive happening WITHOUT direct NATO (US) involvement, given its stakes and the hormone-raging Neocons running this war. Where it will get interesting is seeing just how effective our Woke military is against Russian-manned S-400s.


8 posted on 04/12/2023 4:47:19 AM PDT by BobL
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To: FarCenter
Badly written article from China.

Says NATO cannot defend its new borders in Finland. From who? Lol, Russia?

Never explains how this is a death trap for "America’s Asian allies".

9 posted on 04/12/2023 4:47:38 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Highest Authority
Since when did low IQ people in the State Department run wars? What’s this nut job’s qualifications in warfare?

Good point. Putin has put his military in charge of the special military operation, while his foreign ministry sits on the sideline. In the US, the State Department is in charge and they don't know how to run wars. They don't know basics like tank maintenance, ammo resupply, and air defense. The US ran the Vietnam War the same way, with State and NSC front and center.

10 posted on 04/12/2023 4:48:12 AM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: FarCenter

Chinese propaganda on FR now? Really?


11 posted on 04/12/2023 4:48:17 AM PDT by dangus ( )
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12 posted on 04/12/2023 4:48:27 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: Highest Authority
"Since when did low IQ people in the State Department run wars?"

Since 1963, when they had Diem assassinated in Vietnam.

13 posted on 04/12/2023 4:48:50 AM PDT by Flag_This
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To: FarCenter

>> However, it is likely Ukraine will launch some sort of simultaneous attack on Crimea and Sevastopol, if it can. <<

OTOH, that would be amazingly stupid.


14 posted on 04/12/2023 4:49:13 AM PDT by dangus ( )
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To: FarCenter

Let’s translate the article to reality. Russia is facing substantial lost territory to this Ukraine offensive.

That’s the reality. So let’s tell the West that rolling back the Russian forces could be a “deathtrap” etc.

Nothing is going to stop the offensive, unless the Russians can do it on the ground.

That remains to be seen.


15 posted on 04/12/2023 4:55:26 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

Hahaha. You praise the Russian conduct of the war, which has been a disaster, with the infighting and battlefield losses played out for everyone to see.


16 posted on 04/12/2023 4:58:04 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: FarCenter
Is this not a thing anymore?
loose-lips-sink-ships
This is the strangest "war" ever.

17 posted on 04/12/2023 4:59:16 AM PDT by The Louiswu
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To: Right_Wing_Madman
Sounds like the stupid bitch is dividing "her" forces, attacking Donbas and Crimea/Sevastopol at the same time.

Twelve brigades equals what, say four divisions as Stalin would say? And how many is Vlad standing up to mobilize?

What the article doesn't say is that for Victoria's hare-brained plan to even have a slim chance to work will require NATO to fly air cover.

18 posted on 04/12/2023 5:09:45 AM PDT by OKSooner ("We're gonna put everybody over twelve out of business.")
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Jan 10, 1991: With diplomatic efforts deadlocked in Geneva, President Saddam Hussein told the top leaders of his ruling party that he would make United States military forces “swim in their own blood” if war breaks out in the Persian Gulf, state-run television reported tonight.


19 posted on 04/12/2023 5:09:59 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Gov't declaring misinformation is tyranny: “Who determines what false information is?” )
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To: dangus

Well yes I agree with you. True, Asia Times is Hong Kong based which means it could be controlled by the CCP.

That’s the thing about this war I hate, the other side pushes propaganda as well. I’ve never seen a war in my living memory so propagandized by both sides.


20 posted on 04/12/2023 5:12:54 AM PDT by Phoenix8
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