Posted on 04/08/2023 9:12:37 AM PDT by Kazan
Ein Reich! Ein volk!
Ukes in WW2 never saw a Nazi they didn’t like. When I was there it was disgusting how much Nazi worship I saw. Child trafficking was way out of control too.
The first step in bringing Lemberg and the surrounding provinces back into the Austro-Hungarian empire and the Catholic sphere.
Well probably no one has answered it because it's an obviously leading hypothetical based on things that didn't exist.
The King of England (with help from the parliament) already took over most of the churches in England as part of the English Reformation, beginning in 1529. As far as I can see the first Lutheran church organization in England was not founded until 1961.
So, the simple answer to your simple-minded question is that Zelensky is acting like a tyranical king, which Henry VIII is certainly considered. What's next from him? Maybe have his wife executed when he gets tired of her? (Has she produced a male heir for him?)
State control of the church is, therefore, an old English tradition, or history at this point.
Supporters of the Ukrainian regime keep talking about democracy, but taking over churches for any reason is anti-democratic.
Destroying a church with backhoes? Are you really trying to make some false moral equivalence or excuse that?
Somehow America managed to tolerate the existence of dozens of Russian Orthodox churches in America all throughout the Cold War. How about using that as an example that Zelensky and his orcs should adhere to?
One of the reasons for the original breakaway of the Eastern provinces is that they are Russian speaking and Orthodox. Their original desire was to have autonomous status within the larger Ukrainian state. For one thing they wanted to maintain their language and their religion.
The "church" that the Mayor here "gave" the second Orthodox church to was the OCU, which was established by the Ukrainian government in 2018-19
Here's my more likely hypothetical for you. How would an American State react (say Arizona) if a new government was elected, make Spanish the official language of the State, forbid teaching in English, and later confiscated all the Protestant churches in the State, demolishing some, and giving other to the new State-created "Protestant Church of Arizona" (PCA).
This is why many people who have heretofore supported the Zelensky regime are now starting to question that support.
I sincerely doubt it would have been bulldozed.
Where do the Conservative Christian Ukraine-supporting Freepers stand on this?
As far as I know, most restrictions against the Catholic Church in the UK were repealed in the late 18th and early 19th century. The restrictions against non-conformist (=non-Anglican) Protestants were often ignored even in the 18th century. So it is completely believable that in the 1930s there could have been a Protestant church with close ties to the German establishment.
As to your Cold War Russian Orthodox Church example, there are differences. The Cold War stayed cold. The Russian Orthodox Church in America was not dependent on the Russian Church at all. It acted as an autonomus body.You can read it here: https://www.oca.org/history-archives/orthodox-christians-na
It is also clear that the Orthodox Church in America opposes the Russian aggression against Ukraine.
https://www.oca.org/holy-synod/statements/his-beatitude-metropolitan-tikhon/statement-on-war-in-ukraine
https://www.oca.org/news/oca-news/metropolitan-tikhon-sends-letter-to-patriarch-kirill
I think the Ukrainian authorities went too far in this. The churches should have been closed and the matter should have been resolved after the war.
Well, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate is subservient to the Russian Orthodox Church. The Russian Orthodox Church fully supports the Russian aggression against Ukraine. If the leaders of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate condemmed the Russian aggression and risked being removed from their positions, I would agree that their church should be left alone. However, they more or less collaborate with the enemy.
The (Russian) Orthodox Church in America, on the other hand, opposes the Russian attack on Ukraine.
https://www.oca.org/news/oca-news/metropolitan-tikhon-sends-letter-to-patriarch-kirill
Don’t count on that!
The (Russian) Orthodox Church in America, on the other hand, opposes the Russian attack on Ukraine.”
Think of Russian churches in Ukraine as equivalent to moveon.org and MAGA...
“The (Russian) Orthodox Church in America, on the other hand, opposes the Russian attack on Ukraine.”
Think of Russian Orthodox churches in Ukraine as equivalent to moveon.org with MAGA...
Right maiden never happened or is irrelevant
Just like Bakhmut will be
Not really important after all now that it’s lost
When Putin has a dacha on Dnieper you guys will claim victory cause he took too long
It will never end
The fantasy you guys live under
Putin is Stalin
Russia is still communist USSR
your opinions are based on old bias
I understand that I’m a southerner trust me I get it
But it doesn’t make you correct
Catholic Churches weren’t destroyed in the US even though Rome was inside Axis.
No worries
When western Ukraine goes rump status and polish “peacekeeping” forces are deployed in that formerly polish part of Ukraine they can all go back to being good Catholics anyhow
And given how the Uke Orthodox Church has treated Catholics and Jews when they could get away with it …ask me if I give a tinkers damn
If that link unlike 99% of what you post is factual then yes it should be denounced as well
That’s actually a salient point lol
I best love these crocodile tears on how Russia is allegedly destroying the Ukrainian identify, even though you can get government services in three languages in Crimea and there are tons of Ukrainian monuments all around Russia.
Kiev at the same time wages full blown culture war on half of its population and not a word or outright apologism from the liberals.
Right, and how many Ukrainian schools are left open in Crimea or the occupied territories? How many churches still belong to Kyiv in the occupied territories?
There is no “Kiev church”, regarding schools there is a choice to get education in Ukrainian, except few are choosing it, because without coercion nobody needs it.
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