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THREE CONGRESSMEN INTRODUCE GOLD STANDARD BILL TO STABILIZE THE DOLLAR'S VALUE
mises.org ^ | 04/04/2023 | Jp Cortez

Posted on 04/06/2023 6:40:14 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: Red Badger

Loses 3-432.

Very unpopular with the donor community.


21 posted on 04/06/2023 7:03:37 AM PDT by Jim Noble (You have sat too long for any good you have been doing)
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To: Jolla

Thinking of adding gold to the portfolio making it about 7%, any thoughts.
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Good idea but good luck with it...

Recently TD decided to roll out “TD Precious Metals Secure Storage”. This is a scheme where supposedly you can buy precious metals and store it at TD (with the concept being you can withdraw your purchase at any time). That’s all wonderful... the problem is that if you want to to buy a 1 kg bar of silver right now, you are likely to find that it’s listed as “sold out” on the website. You can, however, buy the TD secure storage version of the same bar for the same price and this obviously is an attempt to turn physical precious metals into paper precious metals... and no doubt, at some point they will discontinue shipping precious metals and ONLY offer TD secure storage. At that point, it’s all entirely a paper game.

Get ‘em while you can.....if you don’t hold it, you don’t own it.


22 posted on 04/06/2023 7:04:42 AM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: Red Badger

It’s a great idea. I support it 100%.

Of course, all debts will have be written down or written off (which I also support) - think of it as a “great reset”.

The donor community will not like this - at all.


23 posted on 04/06/2023 7:06:15 AM PDT by Jim Noble (You have sat too long for any good you have been doing)
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To: Gen.Blather
The economy has become fantastically complex

Hopefully, those responsible have their bags packed.

24 posted on 04/06/2023 7:07:42 AM PDT by Jim Noble (You have sat too long for any good you have been doing)
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To: Yo-Yo
foreign governments could still redeem Dollars for Gold, and started doing so in the late 1960s, draining U.S. gold reserves.

WRONG. This happened because the USA was running big deficits at home, running the vietnam war, while trying to be the world's reserve currency. Thus we were flooding the world with US Dollars - and foreigners rightly suspected the USA would be forced to default/devalue - which is exactly what Nixon did. Its our own fiscal lack of discipline which drained the USA of gold

This is EXACTLY what a gold standard prevents - excessive progressive spending at home, and empire abroad.

If if you think by NOT having a gold standard, we are going to avoid a reckoning with our massive debt, all these lovers of Soviet-style monetary central planning will be wrong about that too

25 posted on 04/06/2023 7:08:46 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: PGR88

I’m in favor of some kind of gold standard (although I’d prefer a balanced budget amendment more).

But a gold standard has to be in place before Congress starts to wildly overspend (and throw dollars everywhere), not after. So that horse has left the barn. That’s the way I see it. And since I studied chemistry and not economics, I well could be wrong.


26 posted on 04/06/2023 7:08:59 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
”all the gold ever mined in human history isn’t enough to back the dollar.

This is going nowhere.”

Ridiculous argument.

It is precisely the irresponsible “printing” of all the dollars in history not tethered to a gold standard that is the problem that has funded the military industrial complex for their corrupt stupid wars.

Of which Ukraine is the latest iteration of a stupid war to protect their money laundering corruption racket.

The dollar will simple have to reset its value in Gold terms which will be much higher than it is now.

If Gold and Silver is good enough for Abraham, it is good enough for me!

27 posted on 04/06/2023 7:09:14 AM PDT by FranklinsTower
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Mooney, my Rep, is the consummate carpetbagger politician.


28 posted on 04/06/2023 7:09:37 AM PDT by Roccus (Veritas, non verba magistri)
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To: Red Badger

Even if it passes in the House and the Senate by some improbable series of miracles, Biden will veto it, as a gold-dollar standard would:

1. make the US a competitor for gold with China, and

2. would halt the carefully made plans to disassemble US piece by piece.


29 posted on 04/06/2023 7:14:03 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Red Badger

Since 2000? How about since 2020?


30 posted on 04/06/2023 7:15:29 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Leaning Right
That’s the way I see it. And since I studied chemistry and not economics, I well could be wrong.

I studied economics, and its a fake social science. It should be an objective study of how people and society react to monetary incentives, but its mostly used by politicians to lie to people.

A scientist's / engineer's mind without any pre-conceived notions or ideological baggage does much better understanding how the economy works.

31 posted on 04/06/2023 7:19:49 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Jim Noble

The reason the dollar and not the Yuan is the world currency is because the US has never been concerned with running a current account deficit. (Not balancing its trade.) There has often been a lot of complaints about the deficit, but it has always been so much smoke. Dollars are freely traded around the world and their value is set by the global marketplace, not the US government. This can never happen with the yuan or any other currency. That’s because every time the Chinese have tried to float the yuan there has been a flood of yuan into dollars as people in China try to protect the value of their money by changing it into a non-managed currency. If we suddenly became concerned with balancing trade then countries would not have either a trade medium, the dollar, or a reliable (compared to their own currency) store of value.

Having billions of dollars overseas that never come home to the US is the equivalent of having an interest free loan of that amount. Thus, the lack of any real concern about the trade imbalance. Anyone in office who is hot on the topic either doesn’t understand how things work or they are just stomping for votes from people who don’t understand how the economy works. (Yes, even our favorite politicians do that. For them it’s as necessary as breathing is to the rest of us.)


32 posted on 04/06/2023 7:25:22 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: Red Badger

Perhaps the nation should have a balanced fiscal year amendment wherein elected federal constitutional officers would become ineligible for government-based employment after their existing terms end if a fiscal year during their current term of office ends in the red.


33 posted on 04/06/2023 7:26:19 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Yo-Yo

The only solution would be to guarantee that the U.S. would exchange Dollars for gold at a ridiculously high rate, say $10,000/oz, instead of the roughly $35/oz exchange rate the U.S. previously tried to maintain.

The bill says the exchange rate would be set by markets, not the old $35 price. Price now $2,019.97 per oz and $64.94 per gram.


34 posted on 04/06/2023 7:26:25 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Red Badger

Indeed.


35 posted on 04/06/2023 7:27:02 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Alvin Bragg: Giving Trumped-Up Charges a whole new meaning)
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To: hecticskeptic

“you can buy precious metals and store it at TD”

I have a 1957 $1 Silver Certificate issued by the US government

It says it is redeemable for silver. I wonder how much.


36 posted on 04/06/2023 7:30:44 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Leaning Right

China is buying gold like no tomorrow. So the RMB is safe because there is a lot of gold to back it. The two are not tied togther but the could be at the stoke of Xi’s pen.

Meanwhile, the US is emptying its SPR into China’s SPR. But nowhere is anyone talking about the US government buying any amount of gold - or silver for that matter.


37 posted on 04/06/2023 7:31:04 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: uranium penguin

Then peg a “new” dollar (e.g. silver certificates) to X% of an ounce of gold?

Right now it would exchange as ~ <2000:1

If the US did as the bill would have it, that rate would climb steeply.


38 posted on 04/06/2023 7:34:05 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Red Badger

Inflation is the result of trying to play catch up.

Better money won’t stop the efforts of the economically critical such as nurses from trying to overcome inflation by getting their employers to pay more.

The people in the oil and gas industry are getting more for their fuel and other economic players need to accept that.


39 posted on 04/06/2023 7:35:24 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: PGR88
If if you think by NOT having a gold standard, we are going to avoid a reckoning with our massive debt, all these lovers of Soviet-style monetary central planning will be wrong about that too

If you think it's not too late to put that genie back into the bottle no matter what, then you're going to be in for a rude awakening.

As for why Nixon ended the Gold Standard internationally, here's a light read for you:

https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/gold-convertibility-ends

International efforts were also made to stem a run on gold. A run in the London gold market sent the price to $40 an ounce on October 20, 1960, exacerbating the threat to the system. In response, the London Gold Pool was formed on November 1, 1961. The pool consisted of a group of eight central banks (Great Britain, West Germany, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, France, and the United States). In order to keep the price of gold at $35 an ounce, the group agreed to pool gold reserves to intervene in the London gold market in order to maintain the Bretton Woods system. The pool was successful for six years until another gold crisis ensued. The British pound sterling devalued and another run on gold occurred, and France withdrew from the pool. The pool collapsed in March 1968

40 posted on 04/06/2023 7:36:55 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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