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Ukraine's Zelenskiy thanks Bakhmut defenders as Wagner head says town has fallen
Reuters ^ | April 2, 2023 | Ronald Popeski

Posted on 04/02/2023 9:46:28 PM PDT by Trump20162020

Fighting around the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut remained "particularly hot", President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said, giving no indication the city had finally fallen to Russia as claimed by the founder of the Wagner mercenary force.

Yevgeny Prigozhin said his troops, involved in a months-long effort to encircle and capture the bombed-out city, had raised a Russian flag on its administrative building.

"Thank you to our soldiers who are fighting in Avdiivka, Maryinka, and Bakhmut," Zelenskiy said in his nightly video address on Sunday. "Especially Bakhmut. It is especially hot there."

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Russia
KEYWORDS: bakhmut; neocons4100alex; putin; ronaldpopeski; russia; thanksbetoukieburger; ukraine; wagner; zelensky; zelenskyy
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1 posted on 04/02/2023 9:46:28 PM PDT by Trump20162020
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To: Trump20162020
I think I've read 50 articles on FR in the past two weeks that stated Ukraine was winning this war. All lies, all propaganda.

2 posted on 04/02/2023 9:48:34 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Trump20162020

All the billions sent therea and they failed.


3 posted on 04/02/2023 9:48:34 PM PDT by Macho MAGA Man (The last two weren't balloons. One was a cylindrical objects )
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4 posted on 04/02/2023 9:49:34 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

If we had an independent media we would know the truth, if only through satellite imagery.

Unfortunately, all we get is propaganda from both sides.


5 posted on 04/02/2023 9:55:18 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: Trump20162020

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/war-has-killed-262-ukrainian-athletes-sports-minister-says-2023-04-02/

Good news is that for every Ukrainian athlete dead there are two dead Russian convicts.


6 posted on 04/02/2023 9:56:06 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
"Unfortunately, all we get is propaganda from both sides."

Not particularly, we mostly just get Ukrainian propaganda. Yes, Russian propaganda exists, but it's not amplified by the Western mainstream media megaphone the way Ukrainian propaganda is.

7 posted on 04/02/2023 9:59:19 PM PDT by Trump20162020
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To: Trump20162020

You are right, it is quite lopsided.


8 posted on 04/02/2023 10:00:07 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

Years ago I assumed technology would eliminate the lies in war and reporting in general. It has actually gotten far worse.


9 posted on 04/02/2023 10:00:24 PM PDT by ArcadeQuarters (You can't remove RINOs by voting for them!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Satellite imagery and the mutually maintained (by both pro-Ukrainian and pro-Russian internet sources) war maps are quite reliable.

None of them are from the MSM.

They tend to be lagged a couple of days before both sides mutually agree on a change.


10 posted on 04/02/2023 10:04:10 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: ArcadeQuarters

You are quite wrong in this.

Lies in war reporting have not changed.
What you have much more of now is crowdsourced information from diverse sources.


11 posted on 04/02/2023 10:06:40 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: ArcadeQuarters
Years ago I assumed technology would eliminate the lies in war and reporting in general. It has actually gotten far worse.

Indeed - remember when the internet began, with all the hype about "all the information of the world at your fingertips?"

12 posted on 04/02/2023 10:11:53 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

What a ridiculous statement.

People who disagree with you are not “all lying” nor are they all engaged in “propaganda”.

Even when that tiny town falls, which was expected months ago, it has become a major Russian setback.

They wanted to break through there long ago before Ukraine can counter attack.


13 posted on 04/02/2023 10:13:10 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

They failed to do what? Hold a tiny town?

How ridiculous.


14 posted on 04/02/2023 10:15:02 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: buwaya

The first casualty of war is the truth. Unfortunately, we are only being fed Ukrainian propaganda in order to keep the tens of billions of dollars flowing and prolonging a proxy war.


15 posted on 04/02/2023 10:16:26 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Trump20162020

Time to end the bloodshed, US financed and armed. It is a war of attrition and blood on our hands for encouraging it.


16 posted on 04/02/2023 10:16:49 PM PDT by Reno89519 (I stand with Trump Against Political Persecution. As DeSantis Says, It Is Un-American.)
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To: Williams

That’s a ridiculous argument. Gettysburg was a ‘tiny town’ also...


17 posted on 04/02/2023 10:18:06 PM PDT by shadowlands1960 (We live in a world of intolerance masked as tolerance. RUSH LIMBAUGH)
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To: Reno89519

Amen.

Time to put a stop to this horrible and massive loss of life, livelihood and property all for a few power and money hungry narcissists.


18 posted on 04/02/2023 10:20:15 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

This is the only war I can remember where we’re getting almost no video of the war. Seems like we should get some actual footage of the fighting.

The only thing we’ve gotten for $100+ billion is the video of Biden walking out with the fake siren going off.


19 posted on 04/02/2023 10:22:04 PM PDT by boycott
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To: shadowlands1960

Gettysburg was a draw.


20 posted on 04/02/2023 10:23:09 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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