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Quit or be fired: Tallahassee principal out amid parent complaints over renaissance statue lesson
WCTV ^ | 23 March 2023 | Mike rogers

Posted on 03/27/2023 5:37:31 AM PDT by napscoordinator

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To: Rockingham
The ancient statue group of Laocoon and his two sons (all naked--and the serpents are naked too) was rediscovered in 1506 and put on display in Rome. The Protestant Reformation began 11 years later.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc?

61 posted on 03/27/2023 9:21:47 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: moovova

The original is in the Academy.


62 posted on 03/27/2023 9:57:58 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: DeplorablePaul

When she sends a naked picture of herself than the parent can first get her fired and then sue her or get her arrested. That’s a big deal and should be handled WHEN it’s a big deal. But you can’t live your life terrified of every suspicious thing that’s just around the corner. Stop real evil, not the possibility of imagined evil.


63 posted on 03/27/2023 9:59:59 AM PDT by mairdie (Grandfather Jack Bell - miner, reporter, lawman, naturalist - https://youtu.be/Dnnb63UEk9c)
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To: aquila48

>>>Yep. Sadly we have more than our share of them.

RIGHT ON!


64 posted on 03/27/2023 10:01:31 AM PDT by mairdie (Grandfather Jack Bell - miner, reporter, lawman, naturalist - https://youtu.be/Dnnb63UEk9c)
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To: napscoordinator

I was raised loving Academy nudes. On walls, they’re art. Well, they can be. There’s some awful stuff called art, too. But the academy figures from the late 19th century were a large part of my reading as a child, and I grew up in museums falling in love with the sculptures of Lorado Taft.

American Sculpture - Brahms Tragic Overture
https://youtu.be/b_mBYGJimNo

Though statues don’t HAVE to be of nudes.

Italian Portraits - Early Venetian Lute Music
https://youtu.be/6X7OwQ4AtTE


65 posted on 03/27/2023 10:09:40 AM PDT by mairdie (Grandfather Jack Bell - miner, reporter, lawman, naturalist - https://youtu.be/Dnnb63UEk9c)
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To: Verginius Rufus

The real question is why wasn’t he shown as the original Jewish David, circumcised?


66 posted on 03/27/2023 10:14:53 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: napscoordinator

this charter school was on its third principle too.


67 posted on 03/27/2023 10:38:28 AM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

hope they didnt show the Sistine chapel ceiling old michangelo painted that one too


68 posted on 03/27/2023 10:48:12 AM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: napscoordinator

This is surprising?

Read Revelation 19; Jesus Christ comes outta the sky on horseback with a sword, and you’ve got a rabble of human armies gathered together thinking they’re gonna use tanks and guns, ships missiles and fighter planes to fight him off.

The level of stupid in this story is Romper Room stuff by comparison.


69 posted on 03/27/2023 1:10:52 PM PDT by HKMk23 (https://youtu.be/LTseTg48568)
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To: Verginius Rufus
By the 1470s, with inspiration from Roman and Greek art, the study of the nude form and works presenting it were standard in artistic training in Tuscany, spreading from there to other parts of Europe. Then as now though, nudity was problematic, and especially so in art in churches even as the New Testament describes Christ as stripped nude when he was crucified.

To downplay that, the Protestant Reformation eliminated the crucifix, reduced it to an abstraction, or omitted or partly obscured the nudity of the crucified Christ. More broadly, Protestants were hostile toward even Christian art in churches. Taken to its logical conclusion, this resulted in a comprehensive preference for plainness in church architecture, in services and prayer, and in personal manners. Something of the same thing happened in Islam, with the conquering desert tribes destroying or painting over Christian art and rejecting any depiction of the human form.

70 posted on 03/27/2023 11:01:15 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
I don't remember ever seeing a depiction of the crucifixion that portrays Christ as nude. Which is not to say no artist ever made such a depiction.

I think Donatello's statue of a nude David was the first nude sculpture in hundreds of years, at least in Western Christendom.

Hard to study ancient Greek art if all depictions of nudity must be avoided.

71 posted on 03/28/2023 6:58:16 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
Michelangelo sculpted one, possibly two crucifixes with an entirely nude Christ. One of them was rediscovered in 1962 and was recently returned to the sacristy of the church in Florence where it was first displayed. I am sure that there are other examples.

More broadly, of course, the convention is to depart from scripture and to depict the crucified Christ with a loin cloth or other covering for modesty's sake, but the trend in the Renaissance was to reduce the size of such covering while depicting Christ's body as otherwise nude and with as much realism as possible. And partial or complete nudity otherwise made its way into much church art in Italy during the Renaissance.

As for the school art lesson in Tallahassee, the controversy is less about nudity than the principal's apparent repeated disregard of private school policies that required parents to be notified in advance and permitted to opt kids out of such lessons. Reading between the lines, the school principal went to the news media to try to pose as the victim of an ignorant, narrow-minded school board and parents.

72 posted on 03/28/2023 2:36:40 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

Not surprised to hear that about Michelangelo. Some people were scandalized by the nudes in his frescoes. Not to mention the statue of David.


73 posted on 03/28/2023 3:06:55 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Rockingham

Apparently the usual practice for Roman crucifixion was to strip the person to be executed naked. They wanted the punishment to be humiliating as well as extremely painful. But it’s possible that they made an exception in Judaea because of Jewish sensibilities—I don’t know if there is specific evidence for how crucifixions were carried out in Judaea.


74 posted on 03/28/2023 3:33:37 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Supposedly, Jewish authorities sometimes used nakedness as punishment. When temple guards fell asleep on duty, they were liable to be being beaten, stripped, and sent home naked as punishment.


75 posted on 03/28/2023 6:15:44 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
Of course there is the famous story in Genesis 9 of Noah being seen naked by his son Ham--when Noah wakes up he curses Ham's son Canaan.

That could be seen as giving the Israelites (descended from Shem) the right to conquer the land of Canaan. But why Ham? The Egyptians were supposed to be descended from Ham. Had the Israelites observed Egyptian peasants working naked? (They are sometimes shown like that in Egyptian tomb paintings.)

And of course Moses later forbade the Israelites from eating ham. Coincidence?

76 posted on 03/29/2023 6:33:08 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
Coincidence? Ham? Did you say ham? There must be a connection somewhere to the subject of nakedness in art.

Well, although denied by Kosher law to observant Jews, warm naked slices of ham are good enough on the plate, but, if cold and sliced thin, they gain by being put between two slices of rye for clothing, with the accompaniment of Swiss cheese, sliced pickle, spicy brown mustard, and perhaps some lettuce.

Oh well, given the noon hour, I guess my mind has wandered off to what the art of the sandwich might offer to naked ham for the sake of lunch.

77 posted on 03/29/2023 9:27:36 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: FrdmLvr

It’s great art to anyone, of any age, who isn’t a retard.


78 posted on 03/30/2023 12:57:26 PM PDT by Republican in occupied CA (I will not give up on my native State! Here I was born, here I fight and die!!)
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This topic was posted 3/27/2023, thanks napscoordinator.

79 posted on 06/15/2023 9:48:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpers are Republicans the same way Liz Cheney is a Republican.)
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80 posted on 06/15/2023 9:55:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (NeverTrumpers are Republicans the same way Liz Cheney is a Republican.)
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