Posted on 03/25/2023 1:28:59 AM PDT by Cronos
Sending military aid to Ukraine helps degrade the Russian conventional military forces, without losing any US soldiers.
potential nuclear war
Giving in to nuclear blackmail, will encourage more nuclear blackmail(from Russia or China) in the future.
who are you voting for?
Always the republican candidate.
“Sending military aid to Ukraine helps degrade the Russian conventional military forces, without losing any US soldiers.”
I know what a proxy war is. Did you get that out of the dictionary?
“nuclear blackmail”
The Russians haven’t given in to it yet in this conflict. And yes, if NATO is successful with this nuclear blackmail, Russia knows to expect more.
“Republican candidate”
What if it’s Trump?
“Every day this proxy battle in Ukraine continues, we risk global war,” President Trump said. “We must be absolutely clear that our objective is to IMMEDIATELY have a total cessation of hostilities. All shooting has to stop. This is the central issue. We need PEACE without delay.”
“There must also be a complete commitment to dismantling the entire globalist neo-con establishment that is perpetually dragging us into endless wars, pretending to fight for freedom and democracy abroad, while they turn us into a third-world country and a third-world dictatorship right here at home. The State Department, the defense bureaucracy, the intelligence services, and all the rest need to be completely overhauled and reconstituted to fire the Deep Staters and put America First.” DJT 1/16/23.
Lol
Good, then you understand why that's beneficial to us against our regional rival Russia.
The Russians haven’t given in to it yet in this conflict
Its Russian's like Medved, who have been threatening nuclear escalation.
What if it’s Trump?...We need PEACE without delay
Sure, but is Trump always right, no. Ceasefire, without Russian withdrawal, rewards Putin with captured territory. What would stop him from launching a future invasion?
How could rus nazi pigs de-Nazify anything ?
No point wasting any more time with you. You cannot disassociate yourself from that neocon world view. You’re going to vote for Trump knowing that this quagmire ends immediately? If this is worth risking WWIII, you’d be sacrificing your morals for some other political purpose. I’m in no position to criticize your stance. Look at my Tagline, same boat as you for almost 50 years. I had my Come to MAGA moment in 2016. Hopefully, it does not take WWIII for your epiphany.
I feel a kinship for England and their spawn
I like Spain Italy and France
Im not emotionally attached so much beyond that
Eastern Europe is an historically brutal quagmire since the Rus moved east tangling with Steppes folk
Christians killing each other there with impunity not to mention how they did your tribe
Slavs gonna Slav
So yes I’m prejudiced towards Anglo issues insofar as US intervention in Europe
I’m not upset over Russia occupying eastern Ukraine however
Nor a neutral western Ukraine
Putin earned plenty enough and signed treaties
We would do no different on our borders except probably hit harder
Admittedly, there's a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson of history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face, that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight or surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand, the ultimatum. And what then, when Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we're retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the final ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary, because by that time we will have been weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he's heard voices pleading for "peace at any price" or "better Red than dead," or as one commentator put it, he'd rather "live on his knees than die on his feet." And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don't speak for the rest of us.
You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery. If nothing in life is worth dying for, when did this begin - just in the face of this enemy? Or should Moses have told the children of Israel to live in slavery under the pharaohs? Should Christ have refused the cross? Should the patriots at Concord Bridge have thrown down their guns and refused to fire the shot heard 'round the world? The martyrs of history were not fools, and our honored dead who gave their lives to stop the advance of the Nazis didn't die in vain. Where, then, is the road to peace? Well it's a simple answer after all.
You and I have the courage to say to our enemies, "There is a price we will not pay." "There is a point beyond which they must not advance." And this - this is the meaning in the phrase of Barry Goldwater's "peace through strength." Winston Churchill said, "The destiny of man is not measured by material computations. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we're spirits - not animals." And he said, "There's something going on in time and space, and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty."
Ronald Reagan
Medvedev is not an ex-government official, he’s the CURRENT Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council. Btw, Putin said much the same thing about taking over all of Ukraine when he said that Russia needed to re-establish full sovereignty over historical Russian territories.
Does the Warsaw Pact have enough armor sitting on the West German border to enable a two day blitzkrieg to the channel? Do you even know what Comintern WAS? Comparing the 1980’s Warsaw Pact and its position in Central Europe to 2022 Russia seeing the Very Last domino fall, on their border, a day’s tank ride to Moscow reflects very badly on you. It’s incredible to me that you are so committed to blind neoconism that I have to explain to you what was going during Cold War I.
One more thing, I’m not going stand by and let you slander Reagan like that. He would never have bought into the West’s woke green pervo globalism that is driving this proxy war. Reagan’s position was a dissolved WP and Soviet Union and having a buffer of non aligned nations between NATO and the Russians. He thought America, that “shining city on a hill” would guide the Russian people. He did not espouse the greatest offensive military machine in history sitting on the Russian border, preaching Moscow regime change while using that machine to cram a woke perverted Gomorrah in a swamp down their throats.
What is this constant thing about nazis? Is there some big Nazi movement that is suddenly sweeping the world?
Is white supremacy and conquering the world really a happening deal now?
The only one driving this war is Putin. The Ukrainians are just defending their homeland, which is what I would expect you would do if yours were to be invaded.
You must realize that for Putin a Nazi is any Ukrainian who believes that they are not Russians.
I just don’t get the whole nazi thing at all, what is the meaning of all the nazi talk and accusations about both the Russians and the Ukrainians, is it some kind of local insult?
Why are so many freepers obsessed with it as though it is a major world movement gaining steam and taking over nations and winning the world’s masses?
Who invaded us? Whose homeland are we defending? This war, when it was a war between Russia and Ukraine, was in the process of being negotiated to an end. The Erdogan peace process was nearly complete. There would have been peace and those four tiny oblasts would have stayed Russian. Then the US torpedoed the peace process and escalated it to the quagmire it currently is. All the deaths of those innocent Russian and Ukrainian boys since April or May are the direct responsibility of the corrupt globalists who prolong this for their own globalist purposes.
Russia invaded Ukraine to fulfill Putin’s delusions of grandeur for an expanded Russian Empire. He stated that Ukraine does not exist and is part of Russia.
Thus he invaded to take Ukraine, which has been a dismal military failure, political failure and complete transparency as to the lack of an effective Russian military.
Would Reagan have helped Ukraine?
No! Reagan’s plan was in effect until 1999 and we had peace. The plan, a buffer of non aligned states between NATO and Russia. Reagan saw a reunified Germany (yes, Mr. Gorbachev did tear down the wall) as the eastern most boundary of NATO. Had the incredibly destabilizing NATO hegemonists not rolled the greatest offensive military machine up to the Russian border, Russia would not have been forced into the counter escalatory move into Ukraine. Overthrowing the Uke government and placing a warmongering stooge satrap in power was the last escalation the Russians could tolerate. None of this would have occurred under Reagan.
So Reagan would have been okay with allowing Russian hegemony over Eastern Europe? Nope. There is NO DOUBT in my mind, that Reagan would have sent weapons to Ukraine.
Overthrowing the Uke government and placing a warmongering stooge satrap in power was the last escalation the Russians could tolerate. None of this would have occurred under Reagan.
Reality check to you, Reagan had the CIA fund the Polish Solidarity movement that helped overthrow the commie Polish government.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.