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1 posted on 03/22/2023 9:11:09 PM PDT by conservative98
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DeSantis screwed up, bigly. YUGE screwup. :-)


30 posted on 03/22/2023 10:58:23 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Truth is not hate speech.)
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Pitiful

And hired Cruz neocon campaign manager

Just great


31 posted on 03/22/2023 11:35:03 PM PDT by wardaddy (Truth is treason in the Empire of lies)
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Saint Ron lol


32 posted on 03/22/2023 11:36:03 PM PDT by wardaddy (Truth is treason in the Empire of lies)
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Yup - taking after the bushes there… great demonstration,


33 posted on 03/22/2023 11:51:32 PM PDT by Skywise
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I agree with both of these opinions. Putin is a war criminal, Ukraine is not “vital” but its outcome is of interest to us.


34 posted on 03/23/2023 12:14:40 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might)
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The two statements are not incompatible.

I don’t remember the same complaint being levelled at Reagan when he agreed that the Argentine regime was out of line, but thought its dispute with the UK over the Falklands was not something that the USA should be involved in.

From a Brit perspective that was a slap in the face, because obviously the River Plate indigenous populations had no idea the islands even existed until after decades after three European empires had already landed there and built settlements. Buenos Aires contracted an American privateer to plant a flag and set up another settlement.

Argentina’s only only claim to the islands was, “because Spain had settled there” and “because a Yankee merc did us a solid”.

On the second point the USA could’ve said something, picked a side. Reagan, wisely, chose not to get America involved.

But he didn’t think for one minute that the regime in Buenos Aires was the good guy.

https://www.ft.com/content/fccc5384-4dc8-11e2-a0fc-00144feab49a

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/29/world/europe/falklands-war-caused-rare-friction-for-thatcher-and-reagan.html

Spot all the parallels between that conflict and this one, in terms of split messaging. Being a strong ally with Britain at the time didn’t mean the USA had to endorse the British defence of its settlements, but it also didn’t mean America agreed Argentina had a compelling moral or legal defence for invading in the first place.

Same applies now. Putin has demonstrably broken multiple binding treaties. China values its relationship with Russia but won’t be anything more than a neutral peace broker. China’s peace plan tells Russia as directly as they can that the Belovezha Accords and UN Charter are incompatible with its invasion for annexation. But China isn’t flying to Kyiv either.


35 posted on 03/23/2023 12:16:00 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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Annnnnnnnd DeSantis pivots to cater to the RINO Establishment and their forever wars.

No wonder he’s falling like a rock in the polls.


37 posted on 03/23/2023 1:33:56 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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“Well, I think it’s been mischaracterized,” DeSantis said“

“Territorial dispute “ and. “ war crimes “ are miles apart, genius.


38 posted on 03/23/2023 2:11:23 AM PDT by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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Are the two mutually exclusive? I mean its really not vital to our interests but Putin also seems to be brutalizing his enemy without much care for the written and unwritten rules of warfare.


41 posted on 03/23/2023 3:09:11 AM PDT by MrRelevant
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Both statements are true and not in conflict


46 posted on 03/23/2023 5:21:34 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day )
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"Putin is a war criminal" and "This is a territorial dispute" are not mutually exclusive or completely opposite.

"We need to send more money and weapons to (X) country" and "we should defend our own borders" are also not mutually exclusive. It's just that we should actually have the money we are sending across the world, not just an overactive printing press.

48 posted on 03/23/2023 5:43:32 AM PDT by Bernard (“the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God." JFK 1-20-61)
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Unbelievable how the media distorts via cherry picking and how many people here are falling for it. Taking two words out of a comprehensive statement and generating controversy. It’s undeniably true that Russia and Ukraine are fighting over territory. Here’s the statement in full. It is rife with conservative positions.
While the U.S. has many vital national interests – securing our borders, addressing the crisis of readiness within our military, achieving energy security and independence, and checking the economic, cultural, and military power of the Chinese Communist Party – becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them. The Biden administration’s virtual “blank check” funding of this conflict for “as long as it takes,” without any defined objectives or accountability, distracts from our country’s most pressing challenges. Without question, peace should be the objective. The U.S. should not provide assistance that could require the deployment of American troops or enable Ukraine to engage in offensive operations beyond its borders. F-16s and long-range missiles should therefore be off the table. These moves would risk explicitly drawing the United States into the conflict and drawing us closer to a hot war between the world’s two largest nuclear powers. That risk is unacceptable. A policy of “regime change” in Russia (no doubt popular among the DC foreign policy interventionists) would greatly increase the stakes of the conflict, making the use of nuclear weapons more likely. Such a policy would neither stop the death and destruction of the war, nor produce a pro-American, Madisonian constitutionalist in the Kremlin. History indicates that Putin’s successor, in this hypothetical, would likely be even more ruthless. The costs to achieve such a dubious outcome could become astronomical. The Biden administration’s policies have driven Russia into a de facto alliance with China. Because China has not and will not abide by the embargo, Russia has increased its foreign revenues while China benefits from cheaper fuel. Coupled with his intentional depletion of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and support for the Left’s Green New Deal, Biden has further empowered Russia’s energy-dominated economy and Putin’s war machine at Americans’ expense. Our citizens are also entitled to know how the billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars are being utilized in Ukraine. We cannot prioritize intervention in an escalating foreign war over the defense of our own homeland, especially as tens of thousands of Americans are dying every year from narcotics smuggled across our open border and our weapons arsenals critical for our own security are rapidly being depleted.

49 posted on 03/23/2023 6:19:30 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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The two are not mutually exclusive.


59 posted on 03/23/2023 9:50:37 AM PDT by Fury
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sounds like he got the memo


65 posted on 03/23/2023 11:36:56 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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sounds like he got the memo


66 posted on 03/23/2023 11:36:56 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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