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Battle of Bakhmut: Ukrainian soldiers worry Russians begin to ‘taste victory’
Kyiv Independent via Yahoo ^ | March 15th, 2023 | Asami Terajima

Posted on 03/15/2023 2:22:44 PM PDT by Mariner

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To: A strike
Did Russia pull their forces out of Donbas? No.
Did Russia turn over control of the border to Ukraine? No.
Did Russia allow Ukraine to conduct the vote called for in the agreement? No.
Q.E.D. Russia broke the Minsk agreement.
101 posted on 03/18/2023 12:20:30 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: ought-six

“Try to post an authoriative source ...”

You have been provided but you choose to pooh-pooh/negate them for your own unsupported narrative.

(Only an idiot would think that if Bidementia sent Johnson to kill a peace agreement that there would be “an authoritive source “)


102 posted on 03/18/2023 12:29:00 PM PDT by A strike ("The worse, the better."- Lenin (& Schwab & Soros)
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To: Petrosius

Go talk to Angela Merkel as to how totally bullshiff Minsk was. But you won’t because YOU are all in on the DeepState Bidementia/StateDept/Blinken/ValJar/Nuland idiocy narrative.


103 posted on 03/18/2023 12:58:14 PM PDT by A strike ("The worse, the better."- Lenin (& Schwab & Soros)
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To: A strike

“You have been provided but you choose to pooh-pooh/negate them for your own unsupported narrative.”

Nice try, son. You linked no authoritative source.

Maybe in YOUR court, assumption and innuendo are enough to convict; but with the rule of law we have here under our constitution, you’d lose your case.

I believe in innocent until proven guilty; you believe in guilt by assumption and innuendo. You support a legal system that Nazi Germany and communist Russia held dear. Says a lot about you.


104 posted on 03/18/2023 3:20:04 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

“You linked no authoritative source.”
What kind of asinine response is that? Did you not receive post 50?
Also don’t be a total ja here. There are no legal issues regarding everyday common sense and your lack thereof.
Next you’ll be fool telling us that the U.S. Biden government didn’t blow up NordStream2.


105 posted on 03/18/2023 3:37:15 PM PDT by A strike ("The worse, the better."- Lenin (& Schwab & Soros)
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To: A strike

“What kind of asinine response is that? Did you not receive post 50?”

Yeah, I read it. And it said nothing about Biden sending Johnson to Ukraine to scuttle a peace agreement, which was an important element of the claim you guys made.

Moreover, if there was a “peace deal” that was so satisfactory to Ukraine, Zelensky would have told Johnson to go to hell, that Ukraine liked the deal and would go through with it. None of that, of course, happened.

And, as I pointed out earlier, there was no DEAL for Johnson to scuttle: There was only a tentative understanding between Ukraine and Russia for a cease fire, and that is by no stretch of the imagination a deal because so much of the ever-important details had not been agreed upon, nor even specified. It was, as they say, a “work in progress” — which is subject to amendments, clarifications, etc. — and was not a “work integrum.”

“Also don’t be a total ja here. There are no legal issues regarding everyday common sense and your lack thereof.”

Common sense and the law are not mutually inclusive; indeed, they are often EXCLUSIVE. That’s why in the United States, under our rule of law, a person is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (in criminal cases) and by a preponderance of the evidence (in civil cases).

I believe in innocent until proven guilty. You have condemned Biden of a war crime just because you don’t like him. Well, I don’t like him, either; but he is entitled to the same protections under our laws as you are. If he is found guilty of a war crime, then punish him to the fullest extent of the law.

“Next you’ll be fool telling us that the U.S. Biden government didn’t blow up NordStream2.”

I believe in the presumption of innocence, and that one is innocent until proven guilty under the law. You have condemned Biden of a war crime just because you don’t like him. Well, I don’t like him, either; but he is entitled to the same protections under our laws as you are. If he is found guilty of a war crime, then punish him to the fullest extent of the law.


106 posted on 03/18/2023 4:34:32 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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Yeah sure,
Zelensky doesn’t absolutely take orders from the White House?

As I said, next you’ll be fool telling us everything you just said.


107 posted on 03/18/2023 5:22:16 PM PDT by A strike ("The worse, the better."- Lenin (& Schwab & Soros)
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To: A strike

zElenskyy has to ask permission from Washington to drop a deuce.


108 posted on 03/18/2023 5:33:16 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: A strike

“Yeah sure, Zelensky doesn’t absolutely take orders from the White House?”

You use words but I don’t think you know what they mean. ABSOLUTELY means COMPLETELY, TOTALLY. Please provide your evidence that Zelensky takes orders from Biden in toto.

Post your links here on FR.

“As I said, next you’ll be fool telling us everything you just said.”

Show me where what I have said is untrue or unsupported by facts. Post the links here on FR.

Or STFU.


109 posted on 03/18/2023 5:36:56 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

Correct, Zelensky COMPLETELY TOTALLY takes orders from the Bidementia regime.

Like your “show me the money bullShiite” everything you have said is untrue or unsupported by facts.


110 posted on 03/18/2023 6:08:11 PM PDT by A strike ("The worse, the better."- Lenin (& Schwab & Soros)
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To: A strike

“Correct, Zelensky COMPLETELY TOTALLY takes orders from the Bidementia regime.”

Prove it.

“Like your ‘show me the money bullShiite’ everything you have said is untrue or unsupported by facts.”

Prove it.

But, of course, you can’t. You are the fourth-grade loudmouth who is trying to impress the girls but has to resort to childish snark and evasions when exposed as a poseur.

Grow up, kid.


111 posted on 03/18/2023 6:32:47 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

... “is not, ...is not, ...is not ...”

projection


112 posted on 03/19/2023 12:03:11 AM PDT by A strike ("The worse, the better."- Lenin (& Schwab & Soros)
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To: ought-six; woodpusher
Hell, you cite the Vienna Convention of 1969, which wasn’t even in effect in 2015 (the Vienna Convention on Treaties of 1986 was)

He literally just pointed out the fine print that shows the 1986 Vienna Convention is "not yet in force."

If you need it in bigger font, here's the handy dandy Wikipedia article on the same.

"Article 85 of the Convention provides that it enters into force after ratification or accession by 35 states. As of October 2022, the treaty has been ratified or acceded to by 33 states. As a result, the Convention is not yet in force."

Given that 2022 is after 2015, it's impossible for the 1986 Vienna Convention to have been in effect during 2015, as you so confidently asserted.

The most recent Vienna Convention establishing international norms on treaties, therefore, is the one from 1969.

113 posted on 03/20/2023 11:37:26 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007; woodpusher

Yes, you are right: The 1969 edition is the operative treaty.

However, many parties reference the 1986 edition to make their case, even though it has not yet been officially ratified. That reference goes both ways: The 1986 edition includes international organizations as appropriate parties (which would have included the OSCE); but since the 1986 edition has not yet been ratified by 35 member nations it is not controlling (though it can be referenced); conversely, its non-ratification can be a counter-argument.

The fact remains that the Minsk Agreements are NOT treaties, no matter what woodpusher claims.


114 posted on 03/21/2023 5:20:05 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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