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US announces new $400 million Ukraine security aid package
The Hill ^ | 03-03-2023 | Brad Dress

Posted on 03/03/2023 11:43:41 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27

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To: nesnah; delta7

According to your fellow traveler delta7, they are already in the field, fighting, and being destroyed.


41 posted on 03/03/2023 4:20:26 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

You war cheerleaders really need to stay up to date.

“Poland has delivered tanks to Ukraine, government announces on war’s first anniversary,…..”

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/polish-leopard-tanks-are-already-ukraine-defence-minister-says-2023-02-24/


42 posted on 03/03/2023 4:28:00 PM PST by delta7
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To: ConservativeInPA

No, I am correct. M777 depends on a guidance/fire control computer for its enhanced accuracy. HIMARS rockets on the military level of GPS coordinates, supplied by the US for any given target.

And etc through all the high tech systems.

155mm rounds aren’t a normal tier of illicit arms commerce. All those USN captures off Yemen for instance are small arms or hand-held arms, Hezbollah and Hamas use rockets for a reason, 155mm artillery pieces aren’t good for hiding from Israel. And etc for the rest of these international illicit markets.

I am addressing your original comment. You should not divert to broader points. You can have all the suspicions you like about financial or humanitarian aid, which are usually easily black marketed, but big ticket armaments aren’t.


43 posted on 03/03/2023 4:29:31 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: ansel12

What is clear is that you just make things up and post them.
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Some Leopard’s were already delivered on Feb 24th.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/ukraine-conflict-leopard-2s-begin-to-arrive-sweden-offers-up-to-10-of-its-own

“ The first four Leopard 2A4 tanks were delivered to Ukraine on 24 February in the presence of Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal (second from left), Poland’s Council of Ministers Chairman Mateusz Morawiecki (centre), and Ukrainian Defence Minister Oleksii Reznikov (second from right). (Ukrainian MoD)…”

Please do try and stay up to speed.

The Donetsk commander states ( learn to read Russian) two were spotted around Bakmut days ago. Ukie and Polish ( and Russian) social media state one has been already destroyed. Matters not, a few dozen outdated Leopards aren’t going to turn the tide.


44 posted on 03/03/2023 4:36:21 PM PST by delta7
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To: delta7

Good Lord man.

We know some have been delivered but they hadn’t reached the field and started fighting, yet you already were reporting them getting destroyed in combat.

You are so goofy that you call the people being invaded and opposing that invasion “warmongers” while you support the actual warmongers attacking their neighbor, you are just plain not playing with a full deck mentally. You can’t tell reality from fiction.

You just make up things to post.


45 posted on 03/03/2023 4:36:59 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

We know some have been delivered but they hadn’t reached the field and started fighting,
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https://www.bolnews.com/world/2023/02/leopard-2-tanks-found-near-bakhmut-says-a-pro-russian-official/

“ German-made Leopard tanks have been spotted near Bakhmut, according to an advisor to the head of the self-proclaimed pro-Russian Donetsk People’s Republic.

“There have been claims that Leopards have appeared near Artemovsk (the Russian name for Bakhmut),” Yan Gagin told state broadcaster Russia 1 on Tuesday.

Gagin went on to downplay the tanks’ presence near the frontlines.

“There is no need to sensationalize this. Given the muddy weather now, it will make it difficult for heavy vehicles like the Leopard to move,” he said. “[It] is the same armored target as all the others.”

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That said, I do believe Gagin over your “opinions”. You were wrong stating Leopards weren’t in Ukraine yet, they were delivered a week and a half ago.


46 posted on 03/03/2023 4:54:24 PM PST by delta7
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To: delta7

I’m correct, you made up your claim that a Leopard was already engaged and destroyed.

What is your source for your claim that a Leopard has already been destroyed?

As far as the credibility of your Russian propaganda sources, well, show the destroyed Leopard or a credible source that they were even in the field yet.


47 posted on 03/03/2023 5:01:36 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: delta7

“”You were wrong stating Leopards weren’t in Ukraine yet, they were delivered a week and a half ago.””

I never said such a thing, is this how you get so much wrong, your reading comprehension isn’t good?


48 posted on 03/03/2023 5:03:40 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

Meanwhile, another first. The first of the four new ethnic Russian provinces admitted to the Russian Federation has declared its Capitol. Something western MSM will not report. The Russians aren’t giving them up, ever.

A link just for you, the official declaration:

Melitopol is officially the capital of Zaporozhye oblast:

https://t.me/readovkanews/54002

Somehow you will have us believe that the Ukies are winning? Nah.


49 posted on 03/03/2023 5:08:03 PM PST by delta7
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To: delta7

Just as I thought, the collective West is escalating. See pics:

https://www.nordsee-zeitung.de/Bremerhaven/Luftbild-Analyse-Was-die-US-Armee-derzeit-via-Bremerhaven-nach-Europa-bringt-122122.html

https://www.nordsee-zeitung.de/Bremerhaven/Wieder-Panzer-fuer-Ukraine-via-Bremerhave-Die-Endurance-wird-gerade-entladen-120113.html

I would add desert tan armored vehicles not the brightest idea? I would hope they have the sense to repaint them before they hit the plains of Ukraine. Desperate measures?


50 posted on 03/03/2023 5:17:28 PM PST by delta7
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To: delta7

Evidently, you make up fake posts for people and then respond to what you are pretending they said.

You really aren’t all there.


51 posted on 03/03/2023 5:18:37 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

They already spent the last 50 billion, or whatever it was?


52 posted on 03/03/2023 8:15:49 PM PST by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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“Russia alone could end its war today,” the State Department said in a release. “Until Russia does so, for as long as it takes, we will stand united with Ukraine and strengthen its military on the battlefield so that Ukraine will be in the strongest possible position at the negotiating table.”

I thought it was “as long as it takes” for Ukraine to win. No2w it’s just to get the upper hand in negotiations?


53 posted on 03/03/2023 8:25:25 PM PST by rxh4n1
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To: Celerity

The US money going to Ukraine is an unprecedented amount, never before seen.

https://securityassistance.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Ukraine-Costs-Fact-Sheet-v2.pdf


54 posted on 03/04/2023 5:05:14 AM PST by Texan4Life
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