Posted on 02/21/2023 3:27:59 AM PST by linMcHlp
President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday that Russia was suspending its participation in the New START treaty with the United States that limits the two sides' strategic nuclear arsenals.
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I did, and sources say there are only 8 million Ukrainian refugees in Europe as 10 million returned to Ukraine.
The number of people who fled Ukraine since February 24 is estimated at 18,589,702, while 10,297,001 have returned to the country. The UNHCR records 8,075,440 refugees from Ukraine across Europe as of 14 February 2023. The number of people returning to Ukraine has increased from roughly 20,000 per day at the end of March to around 30,000 per day by mid-February.
https://cream-migration.org/ukraine-detail.htm?article=3573
Around 17.5 million Ukrainians have left their country since the beginning of the war, with more than a million of them ending up in Germany. Some 80 percent of the adults are women.”
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/a-life-in-exile-ukrainian-refugees-in-germany-one-year-later-a-59fc9722-28bc-4c65-9859-cbd226eb8ff7
In January of 2022 the population of the Ukraine was estimated at 41,167,336, that means roughly 42% of the population has fled. It doesn't feel like winning does it?
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AND 10 million have returned since then, resulting in 8 million total refugees from Ukraine in Europe. Two sources:
https://data.unhcr.org/en/situations/ukraine
https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2022/12/15/europe-could-do-even-more-to-support-ukrainian-refugees
If you're going to call sharing (deliberately or otherwise) weapons design information "giving someone nukes," then you need to amend your question:
How do you think the UK, Israel, and the Soviet Union got theirs?
... since you know, or you should know, that the Soviet nuclear program started 100% with information that was stolen from the American Manhattan Project. In fact, Beria insisted that "Joe-1" be an exact clone of the American Fat Man, although the Soviet physicists had ideas on the table for refinements.
Now, as to the UK: they worked with the US on the Manhattan Project. They then developed their own fission weapons (specifically because the US would not "give them nukes"), and then developed their own H-bombs, and only after that did the US share H-bomb designs with the UK.
As to Israel: the French gave them a reactor. Most of the rest of their nuclear program was homegrown, with some information theft involved. The Israelis certainly do not have operational American-made nuclear weapons.
Free republic has fallen for when Zeepers post misinformation by the UN. The Der Spiegel article was from a less than week ago. It doesn’t feel like winning does it? The Ukrainians voted with their feet and they left.
And you quoted a blog?
We are talking about formalities right now. It is not a Ukraine-Russia war, but a NATO-Russia war.
Who do you think hit the cruiser in the Black Sea or Engels AFB which is a part of triad and normally off-limit?
Ukraine doesn’t even operate HIMARS on its own.
The nukes will be under NATO control to hit targets inside Russia and for the plausible deniability that it war Ukraine indeed.
That is why Putin is freaking out since 2013.
Israel, Indian, and Pakistan are not signatories of the treaty.
Clown as always.
When 42% of a country’s entire population has fled the country to avoid death then it has lost the war. The Ukraine is dead. It is no more. It is tits up and stinking.
I know about it full well. What is your point?
So succinct. Your fingers must be exhausted. Don’t feel rushed to respond because I know you have to look up the word succinct.
If the US or UK is violating a major international treaty to which Russia is also a signatory, where is the Russian protest? Where is the evidence? Where are the pictures?
It is not a Ukraine-Russia war, but a NATO-Russia war.
What was it in the 1960's, when the entire Eastern bloc was supporting North Vietnam, with weapons and advisers and money, against the US and her allies? Except for Ukraine being next door to Russia*, how is this any different?
*And please recall that Vietnam is next door to Thailand and close to Australia, both US allies.
This is just stupid Putinista paranoid rumor-mongering you're pushing. Stick to actual facts you can prove.
Not the least bit surprising. We're living in an era of division at the same time nation leaders trying to unit peoples into their line and agenda of what unity needs to look like. China, Russia, Europe, USA an the Islamic world all view their way is the best way.....and they all seek POWER over whatever that will ultimately look like. ................We of course are watching their rise an falls like a roller coaster now....but we know the outcome. They just think they do.
Where’s your evidence that the US or UK is breaking it? You made the accusation, present some evidence.
LOL, Der Spiegel is fact according to you, but the UN report on refugees is "misinformation". Where do you think Der Spiegel got their numbers on refugees from?
And by the way, you know, or should know, that we have nukes on subs north of Murmansk and in the eastern Mediterranean right now that can hit any target in western Russia bigger than 10 square meters, with a flight time about 5 minutes more than would be required for a land-based missile in Ukraine. You think we'd risk World War III for 5 minutes of flight time?
Ukrainian “insiders” talk about it every day. There was a related statement from Ze during the last year’s Munich conference.
Your reference to the Vietnam war is rather out of place. For one thing, the US is killing long range missiles for Ukraine and encourages it to hit strategic targets inside Russia.
The USSR never did anything like this vis a vis USA.
It is very sensible for Russia to seek the opportunity to kill 3-4 millions of Americans to de-escalate of such attack is to take place.
They is no plausible deniability and ability to de-escalate in this case. You fail to grasp the concept.
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