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To: Dr. Sivana

Walmart is not losing hundreds of millions in its Cook County (and other stores) because people are shoplifting candy bars. They are losing money because organized gangs of ferals are stealing massive amounts of merchandise.

Stealing a candy bar would likely not result in being charged. Habitually stealing candy bars would and in Illinois could be charged as a misdemeanor or a felony depending on the circumstances.

You seem to be making the same mistake you made with the law with what is lawyerly in that you mistakenly believe that what you think is lawyerly is lawyerly. What you think about what is and is not lawyerly is irrelevant. A person who passed the bar examination and was admitted to the bar who does not commit a felony has a duty to try to educate people on what the law is not what that person thinks the law should be.

A person who is ineducable is and will always remain a moron. You are ineducable based on your responses. Therefore, you are a moron.


57 posted on 02/14/2023 5:27:10 AM PST by MIchaelTArchangel ( )
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

Your employment of logical fallacies, in this case the straw man, is not the best exercise of honest discussion.

That is interesting that habitually stealing a candy bar in Illinois might be treated as a felony, but not pertinent to the original statement that there are plenty of simple shoplifting cases that are not felonies. Is the felonious version of habitually candy bars related in reality to breaking probation or criminal trespass rather than petty theft?

I have taken cognition and intelligence tests with far more authority that your posts, including the LSAT, and my processing is just fine.

You could have avoided your errors by simply acknowledging from the beginning that plenty of shoplifting is not at the felony level. I am in a big city, and I have seen major stores due to shoplifting, including a Walgreens located near a bus stop. It dies not from $800 smash and grabs, but from the thousand cuts of from a stream of people grabbing an armful of snack food or small amounts of stuff they think they can resell for drug/drink money.

Most of the shoplifting was not at the felony level, and if you insist on charging so much shoplifting as a felony, you are actually less likely to get a conviction unless you knock it down at plea bargaining. A misdemeanor can send you to jail for months, and that is more appropriate for the guy who takes a bag or Doritos and a monster drink.

The mob smash and grabs and the folks who roll a whole shopping cart while wielding a weapon includes more than shoplifting, and is of a different nature than simple, low-level shoplifting.


58 posted on 02/14/2023 7:11:43 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth? (Luke 18:8))
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