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That's not the point. And that pig eyed pedo knows it, no matter his level of senility may be.

It was spotted over the Aleutians.

Bottom line: who allowed it over CONUS to leisurely take a tour over military sites?

1 posted on 02/10/2023 8:39:25 AM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Tench_Coxe

That’s the point exactly. It wasn’t a “breach” at all..it was ALLOWED.


2 posted on 02/10/2023 8:40:28 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Tench_Coxe

Joe now gets 25%


3 posted on 02/10/2023 8:40:57 AM PST by butlerweave
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To: Tench_Coxe

He doesn’t think keeping classified documents in various non-secured offices and garages around the country isn’t a major breach, either.


4 posted on 02/10/2023 8:41:13 AM PST by alancarp (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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To: Tench_Coxe

Classified smashified. They know all our stuff anyway. 🖕


5 posted on 02/10/2023 8:45:04 AM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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To: Tench_Coxe

Sold out and let it happen.


6 posted on 02/10/2023 8:48:26 AM PST by BillyBonebrake
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To: Tench_Coxe

Demented Joe Biden is still aware of his biggest problem.


7 posted on 02/10/2023 8:50:19 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Tench_Coxe

His recent interviews on this topic, the balloon, indicate his dementia is getting much worse.


9 posted on 02/10/2023 8:52:36 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: Tench_Coxe

I see no evidence of the kind of intelligence (no rhyme intended) that is supposed to be an attribute of the self-proclaimed high I.Q. of Joe Biden.


10 posted on 02/10/2023 8:55:13 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Tench_Coxe

And another on the way with no ocean in sight.


11 posted on 02/10/2023 9:25:06 AM PST by erlayman
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To: Tench_Coxe

Traitor.
Hang him.


12 posted on 02/10/2023 9:25:32 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Tench_Coxe

Striving for excellence…Biden has always been a stupid 💩.


14 posted on 02/10/2023 9:50:02 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (Stupidly is a moral problem, not an intellectual problem. )
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To: Tench_Coxe

I feel so betrayed by our nations protectors. Truly and honestly, I fear so much for my grandchildren who will be left with nothing no country etc. 😢 I pray that God will honor his word and take us home before the terrible day of judgment falls on this world.


15 posted on 02/10/2023 9:50:47 AM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: Tench_Coxe

It is something the Chinc Commies didn’t have to pay Hunter for.


16 posted on 02/10/2023 10:27:48 AM PST by depressed in 06 (make Bolshies )
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To: Tench_Coxe

He was told to leave it alone by his “superiors.” It was only after civilians “discovered it” that they had to admit it was real. It was a Merd Extravaganza DeLuxe.


17 posted on 02/10/2023 11:53:55 AM PST by Shady (The #JihadJunta: "We are now a nationThat of Men, Not of Laws. You are not as equal as we are...")
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To: Tench_Coxe
Biden and his fellow travelers, are such morons, such quislings.

I'd love to hear a reporter ask one of them this....

If it was a good decision (and not really a "breach") to allow the CCP spy balloon to float over our country unabated, would it be an equally good idea (and also not a "breach") to allow a CCP spy plane, such as a KJ-200A to fly over our country unabated, even mid-air refueling if needed, and wait until it was done collecting intelligence to shoot it down over the Atlantic?

or even "just" a Y-9GX, to traverse Alaska collecting intel from Elmendorf Air Force Base and Clear Space Force Station to name a few?


18 posted on 02/10/2023 12:30:04 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Tench_Coxe

As per Buydone: Look, the total amount of intelligence gathering that’s going on by every country around the world is overwhelming,’

Actually this time he is correct. We and our Chinese Goodguys in Taiwan have been monitoring Red China from the sky for decades with our U2’s and SR’s.

Black Cat Squadron

ROCAF35mark.png
Black Cat Squadron official emblem
Active 1961–74
Branch Republic of China Air Force
Role Surveillance
Garrison/HQ Taoyuan Air Base
Nickname(s) Black Cat Squadron
Commanders
Current
commander Lu Xiliang
Aircraft flown
Reconnaissance Lockheed U-2

The Black Cat Squadron (Chinese: 黑貓中隊; pinyin: Hēimāo Zhōngduì), formally the 35th Squadron, was a squadron of the Republic of China Air Force that flew the U-2 surveillance plane out of Taoyuan Air Base in northern Taiwan, from 1961 to 1974. 26 ROCAF pilots successfully completed U-2 training in the US and flew 220 operational missions,[1] with about half over the People’s Republic of China.

When the squadron was formed in 1961, Colonel Lu Xiliang (盧錫良) became its first commander and would become its longest-serving squadron commander. Colonel Lu was born in Shanghai on December 27, 1923 and completed his training in the US.

During the squadron’s 14 years of existence, five U-2s were shot down by PRC air defenses (using SA-2 missiles[2]), with three pilots killed and two captured. Another pilot was killed while performing an operational mission off the Chinese coast, while seven U-2s were lost during training missions, killing six pilots.[3]

A total of 19 U-2s were assigned to the Black Cat Squadron, over fourteen years, although the squadron usually had only two U-2s assigned to it at any one time; sometimes there was just one aircraft.[4]

The intelligence gathered by the Black Cat Squadron, which included evidence of a military build-up on the Sino-Soviet border, may have contributed to the U.S. opening to China during the Nixon administration by revealing the escalating tensions between the two communist nations. Shortly after Nixon’s visit to Beijing, all reconnaissance flights over the People’s Republic ceased, and the Black Cat Squadron was officially disbanded in the spring of 1974.

Operational missions

During a reconnaissance mission in Yunnan province, Chuang Ren-Liang saw two incoming missile in his correction camera and evaded SA-2 missiles that day.

The only other U-2 operator than CIA, USAF and United Kingdom was the Republic of China (Taiwan), which flew missions mostly over the People’s Republic of China (PRC). Since the 1950s, the Republic of China Air Force had used the RB-57A/D aircraft for reconnaissance missions over the PRC, but suffered two losses when MiG-17s and SA-2 Surface-to-Air Missiles were able to intercept the aircraft.

In 1958, ROC and American authorities reached an agreement to create the 35th Squadron, nicknamed the Black Cat Squadron, composed of two U-2Cs in Taoyuan Air Base in northern Taiwan, at an isolated part of the airbase. To create the typical misdirections at the time, the unit was created under the cover of high altitude weather research missions for ROCAF. To the US government, the 35th Squadron and any US CIA/USAF personnel assigned to the unit were known as Detachment H on all documents. But instead of being under normal USAF control, the project was known as Project RAZOR,[5][6] and was run directly by CIA with USAF assistance.

Each of the 35th Squadron’s operational missions had to be approved by both the US and the Taiwan/ROC presidents beforehand. To add another layer of security and secrecy to the project, all US military and CIA/government personnel stationed in Taoyuan assigned to Detachment H were issued official documents and ID with false names and cover titles as Lockheed employees/representatives in civilian clothes. The ROCAF pilots and ground support crew would never know their US counter part’s real name and rank/title, or which US government agencies they were dealing with.

A total of 26 out of 28 ROC pilots sent to the US completed training between 1959 and 1973, at Laughlin Air Force Base, Texas.[7] On the night of 3 August 1959, a U-2 on a training mission, out of Laughlin AFB, Texas, piloted by Maj. Mike Hua of ROC Air Force, made a successful unassisted nighttime emergency landing at Cortez, Colorado, that was later known as the “Miracle at Cortez”. Major Hua was later awarded the US Air Force Distinguished Flying Cross for saving the top secret aircraft.[8][9][10][11]

In January 1961, the CIA provided the ROC with its first two U-2Cs, and in April the squadron flew its first mission over mainland China. Other countries were also covered from time to time by the 35th Squadron, such as North Korea,[12] North Vietnam and Laos, but the main objective of the ROC 35th Squadron was to conduct reconnaissance missions assessing the PRC’s nuclear capabilities. For this purpose the ROC pilots flew as far as Gansu and other remote regions in northwest China.

Some of the missions, due to mission requirements and range, plus to add some element of surprise, had the 35th Squadron’s U-2s flying from or recovered at other US air bases in Southeast Asia and Eastern Asia, such as K-8 (Kunsan) in South Korea, or Takhli in Thailand. All US airbases in the region were listed as emergency/ alternate recovery airfields and could be used besides the 35th Squadron’s home base at Taoyuan Air Base in Taiwan. Initially, all film taken by the Black Cat Squadron was flown to Okinawa or Guam for processing and development, and the US forces would not share any of the mission photos with Taiwan, but in late 1960s the USAF agreed to share complete sets of mission photos and help Taiwan set up a photo development and interpretation unit at Taoyuan.

On 9 September 1962, the first loss occurred when the PRC downed a U-2 near Nanchang; the pilot Chen Huai died in a PRC hospital.[13] The U.S. denied PRC accusations of involvement in the ROC flights, noting that the previous Eisenhower administration had sold the U-2s to ROC. This was a cover story, however as the CIA maintained Detachment H’s U-2s and replaced them as necessary, and CIA pilots from Detachment G began using Detachment H’s unmarked U-2 for flights over North Vietnam in February 1962.[14]

The demand for intelligence on the Chinese nuclear program grew but so did the number of PRC SAM sites and use of the Fan Song radar, and ROC overflights became more dangerous. Two more ROC U-2s were shot down, one on 1 November 1963 over Jiangxi and one on 7 July 1964 over Fujian,[13] and ROC demanded improved electronic countermeasures (ECM) equipment. Detachment H’s U-2s had the System XII radar detector but not the sophisticated System XIII radar jammer, because the United States Department of Defense feared its loss to the PRC. The need for intelligence on the Chinese nuclear program was so great that the Defense Department agreed to install improved ECM equipment, but insisted that pilots not turn System XIII on until System XII detected FAN SONG. After another ROC U-2 was lost in circumstances that remain classified as of July 2013, ROC refused to conduct further overflights unless its pilots could use System XIII whenever over the PRC.

After the People’s Republic of China conducted its third nuclear test on 9 May 1966, the US was eager to obtain information on the Chinese capabilities. To this end, the CIA initiated a program, code named Tabasco, to develop a sensor pod that could be dropped into the Taklamakan Desert, near the Chinese nuclear test site. The pod was intended to deploy an antenna after landing and radio back data to the US SIGINT station at Shulinkou Taiwan. After a year of testing in the US, the pod was ready. Two pilots of the 35th squadron were trained in the dropping of the pod. On 7 May 1967, a ROCAF U-2 (article 383) flown by Spike Chuang took off from Takhli Royal Thai Air Force Base with a sensor pod under each wing.[15] The aircraft successfully released the pods at the target, near the Lop Nur Nuclear Weapons Test Base, but no data were received from the pods.

This was unfortunate, as the People’s Republic of China conducted a test of its first thermonuclear device in Test No. 6 on 17 June 1967. A second U-2 mission was flown to the area by a Black Cat squadron U-2 flown by Bill Chang on 31 August 1967. This U-2 carried a recorder and an interrogator in an attempt to contact the pods. This mission was unsuccessful, as nothing was heard from the pods. This set the stage for Operation Heavy Tea, conducted by the Black Bat Squadron.[16]

In 1968, the ROC U-2C/F/G fleet was replaced with the newer U-2R. However, with the overwhelming threats from SA-2 missiles and MiG-21 interceptors, along with the rapprochement between the US and the PRC, the ROC U-2 squadron stopped entering Chinese airspace, and instead only conducted electronic surveillance plus photo reconnaissance missions with new Long-Range Oblique Reconnaissance (LOROP) cameras on the U-2R while flying over international waters. The last U-2 aircraft mission over mainland China took place on 16 March 1968. After that, all missions had the U-2 aircraft fly outside a buffer zone at least 20 nautical miles (37 km) around China.

During his visit to China in 1972, US President Richard Nixon promised the Chinese authorities to cease all reconnaissance missions near and over China, though this was also made practical because US photo satellites by 1972 were able to provide better overhead images without risking losing aircraft and pilots, or provoking international incidents. The last 35th Squadron mission was flown by Sungchou “Mike” Chiu on 24 May 1974.[17]

By the end of ROC’s U-2 operations, a total of 19 U-2C/F/G/R aircraft had been operated by the 35th Squadron from 1959 to 1974.[18] The squadron flew a total of about 220 missions,[19] with about half over mainland China, resulting in five aircraft shot down, with three fatalities and two pilots captured; one aircraft lost while performing an operational mission off the Chinese coast, with the pilot killed; and another seven aircraft lost in training with six pilots killed.[18][20] On 29 July 1974, the two remaining U-2R aircraft in ROC possession were flown from Taoyuan Air Base in Taiwan to Edwards AFB, California, US, and turned over to the USAF.[21][22][23][24]

Members after retirement
After his retirement, Col. Lu Xiliang (盧錫良) and his family immigrated to Los Angeles in 1986, where he became an ardent activist for ROCAF POWs’ rights, particularly the right of POWs to return to Taiwan to reunite with their families after imprisonment in mainland China. Colonel Lu died on December 15, 2008.

In addition to Lu Xiliang, another six former-members of the squadron eventually settled in the US, including Zhuang Renliang (莊人亮), Wang Taiyou (王太佑) in Los Angeles, Yeh Changti in Texas, Hua Xijun (華錫鈞) in Maryland, and the deputy squadron commander Yang Shiju (楊世駒) in Las Vegas.

List of ROC U-2 aircraft lost

U-2C 56-6691 wreckage (shot down on 10 January 1965) on display at the Military Museum of the Chinese People’s Revolution, Beijing
Shot down over mainland China
September 9, 1962: U-2C N.378 - Major Chen Huai (killed)[25]
November 1, 1963: U-2C N.355 - Major Yeh Changti (captured, released in 1982), shot down by Yue Zhenghua and his Second Battalion[25]
July 7, 1964: U-2G N.362 - Lt. Colonel Lee Nanpin (killed), shot down over Fujian by Yue Zhenghua and his Second Battalion[25]
January 10, 1965: U-2C N.358 - Major Chang Liyi (captured, released in 1982), shot down over Baotou by Wang Lin and his First Battalion[25]
September 8, 1967: U-2C[26] N.373 - Captain Huang Jungpei (killed), shot down over Jiaxing by Xia Cunfeng and the 14th Battalion, first success by a Chinese-made surface-to-air missile[25]
Lost due to technical failure during operational missions
May 16, 1969: model and number unknown - Major Chang Hsieh (killed)[25]
Lost during training missions
March 19, 1961: U-2C N.351 - Major Chih Yaohua (killed)
March 23, 1964: U-2F N.356 - Captain Liang Tehpei (killed)
October 22, 1965: U-2A N.352 - Major Wang Chengwen (killed)
February 17, 1966: U-2F N.372 - Captain Wu Tsaishi (killed)
March 22, 1966: model and number unknown - Captain Fan Hungdi (survived)
June 21, 1966: U-2C N.384 - Major Yu Chingchang (killed)
November 24, 1970: U-2R N.057 - Major Huang Chihsien (killed)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Cat_Squadron#:~:text=The%20last%20U%2D2%20aircraft,(37%20km)%20around%20China.


19 posted on 02/10/2023 2:23:10 PM PST by Grampa Dave ("What is your 'fair share' of what someone else has worked for?" - Thomas Sowell !!!!)
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