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To: thegagline
Bakhmut is going to fall to the Russians.

And then the war ends? Ukraine gives up with Leopards, Bradleys and GLSDB's on the way?

7 posted on 02/08/2023 10:28:28 AM PST by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: tlozo

I’m not even convinced this is going to be accomplished soon.

They’ve—the media, the Russians, the pro-Russian FReepers, or anti-Ukraine Freepers (I’m not trying to offend anyone)— been saying Bakhmut is about to fall to the Russians for many months now.

I’m just saying they shouldn’t count chickens before the eggs hatch.

Even if they do take it, does the next city becomes a six month obstacle? Hard for any side to move quickly when artillery has both sides zeroed in.

My above is a military view, not political.


11 posted on 02/08/2023 10:36:32 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (Gov't declaring misinformation is tyranny: “Who determines what false information is?” )
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To: tlozo
And then the war ends? Ukraine gives up with Leopards, Bradleys and GLSDB's on the way?

I don't think so. The war isn't going to end till a very large part of eastern Ukraine is destroyed and the Russians take Odessa.

Then a Nobel Prize will be awarded to Zelinsky or Biden or some EU weenie when they decide a large enough percentage of Ukrainan men between the ages of 18-55 are dead and they find a compromise... like North Korea/South Korea that will insure a "NATO missle free" zone all along the Russian border.... kinda like it was during the cold war.

If I was a former Soviet Republic I'd be a little worried.

13 posted on 02/08/2023 10:37:59 AM PST by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitantes <i></I><P> <img src="">)
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To: tlozo

No, what we will have is someone here say “its over” for the umpteenth time.


18 posted on 02/08/2023 10:58:22 AM PST by FreshPrince
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To: tlozo

Bakhmut is only the first step in a bid to retake the oblast of Donbas. Lots of folks will die and the city will need to be rebuilt from the foundations up. It will be a showplace in the future. I hope this breaks the back of resistance and the peace talks can start. Ukraine must give up the east and Crimea—they didn’t want to be part of your nation anyway. Too many people have died.


21 posted on 02/08/2023 11:05:51 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: tlozo
And then the war ends? Ukraine gives up with Leopards, Bradleys and GLSDB's on the way?

Pentagon said no Bradleys till 2025

23 posted on 02/08/2023 11:07:05 AM PST by montag813
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