Posted on 01/31/2023 2:20:51 PM PST by delta7
While Chancellor Olaf Scholz has been pushing back against demands of Ukraine for fighter jets now after the tanks, there have been those in Germany eager to support Ukraine to destroy Russia. They have filled their heads with such propaganda that Russia will conquer all of Europe if it is not completely destroyed NOW. They are placing not just the lives of European citizens at risk but the entire future of Europe as a whole.
I know Ukraine very well and the Neonazis there will never stop. Russia must protect the Donbas for they would actually slaughter every ethnic Russian living there. The Nazis have won. The West has now supported their cause.
The 2014 Massacre of Russian-speaking Ukrainians in Odesa has been ignored by the West, but this is what awaits the Donbas if Putin leaves. The West just wants to destroy Russia once and for all. Human rights no longer mean anything and the Minsk Agreement was a deliberate farse only to buy time to wage war against Russia. Neither Russia nor China will forget that it has been all because of the deceit of the West.
The Ukrainians want only pure-blood Ukrainians and they killed ethnic Russians living in Odesa grabbing them on the streets, beating them, and killing them all to the silence of the Western press. That was the turning point. It revealed that the Donbas had to separate for the Ukrainian Neo-Nazis wanted to exterminate them. I was told in 2014 that Crimea will be Ukrainian or it will be depopulated – by Ukrainians!
That began the civil war, which was instigated by the interim government installed by the West that was NEVER elected by the Ukrainian people. Because the CIA protected the Ukrainian Nazis who were never prosecuted for killing Jews, Polish, and Hungarians simply because they also killed Russians, we are now on the same side that Hilter was once on and we turn a blind eye to their atrocities.
The West started this civil war because the West wants to destroy Russia – plain and simple. The Ukrainian Neonazis set fire to the building in Odesa and burned all the Russian-speaking Ukrainians alive. For the first time in history, an organized massacre of civilians was carried out and even filmed by numerous people and the West said nothing. This has been documented in extraordinary detail and the Ukrainian Neonazis did not even fear any negative consequences in world opinion, because the West is in their corner, and as Merkel admitted, the whole Minsk Agreement was to fool Putin and make the Russians in the Donbas think the West cared about their human rights when it never did.
Zelensky is an actor and he is playing the role given to him by the West to start World War III. Everything he does is to expand the war and to suck in NATO and the United States to create this war. He is succeeding. I can object all I want, but our computer will be right and we are looking at World War III between 2025 and 2027. So batten down the hatches.
Our computer, which tracks the global capital flows thanks to the cooperation with raw data, we can see that the money is still migrating out of Europe. Russians and the Chinese are pulling money out of Europe as well. So far, it is still underpinning the US marketplace.
Many supporting documentation included in tge article.
Look how much damage a single commie Bosnian did to Europe.
which tells me there are some pretty demented folks here -
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I fully agree. Biden’s war cheerleaders will not be satisfied till the EU and Ukraine is totally destroyed.
When Done—NATO and EU will be done—new alliances will replace them. One western Europe (woke and tied to Liberal Ideas) and East (Traditional and open to trade with Russia) Some may even join Russia (like Serbia).
no, it won't. That isn't a "victory".
If this is a war, victory means that both sides, Russian and Ukraine, understand that neither will try to attack or kill or occupy or whatever the reason this started ....they will not try because they are NOT ABLE TO ATTACK.
That is what victory means.
In other words, Russia will have to be destroyed and made incapable of occupying or killing Ukrainians. They will have to have NO OTHER CHOICE but in order to survive, they will have to be made incapable of attacking again.
That is what "victory" in "war" is.
What you are describing is a path to victory but not "victory". You are somehow under the impression that pushing someone back is "victory".
That's how you end up with "victories" like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan, Iran.... both sides get a vote on victory. BOTH SIDES have to understand that there was a winner and the other is incapable of being a threat ever again, because you are only delaying and prolonging "the war".
You sound like the geniuses at the State Department and the Sunday talk show strategists.....
Think about it really hard. Who is in the best position to "win" a "war" in the Ukraine.
thats why I wont give to any freepathons....No crackdown on the America hating trolls.
“Russia will have to be destroyed and made incapable of occupying or killing Ukrainians.”
Yep if thats the case, Russia should have thought long and hard about starting a three day war against Ukraine.
Hasnt worked out for them as they planned has it?
Yup, that and Come and See.
When I tell people about them, I also tell them to NOT let their kids watch them.
Wołyn went way beyond “Come and See”. Especially the ‘uncensored’ version.
I don’t believe Russian propaganda but you surely don’t believe all the horse crap the CIA/NSA/DOD and BiteMe are shoveling either do you?
How many times have these agencies been caught in lies, half-truths and our right BS and yet you still buy their garbage?
As for BiteMe if you believe him about anything you’re a lost ball in high weeds at this point.
LOL
I’m glad you posted that
This is not the historical case of most wars.
Lets take another Russian war.
The Russo-Japanese war for instance. Russia lost the bulk of its Naval forces in the area, lost some territory, culminating in Mukden, then sued for peace. It still had an army in the field (albeit battered) and reserves to send, limited only by the capacity of the trans-Siberian railroad (which was being improved) to support them. The war certainly could have continued, and, probably, Russia had superior economic potential at the time, vs Japan, sufficient to keep fighting to an eventual victory, in spite of the setbacks. But back home this level of effort was not seen as worthwhile, and the leadership was demoralized.
Most wars have ended this way, as a cost-benefit calculation.
What is Russia willing to do to survive? If Russia looks over the horizon, realizes it has miscalculated and sees the EU, USA, Turkey, India, Pakistan and China licking their chops. What do you think is going to happen?
Do you think Russia's mob bosses and psychopathic paranoid generals will just say, "my bad, let's all go back to the border and call it a day."
They will have "no choice" and neither will the Chinese since everyone has a hard-on for "war". They're like Tyson at the end of his fight career.... knew he was outmatched, out maneuvered and just fought like an animal.... biting ears and going feral.
Everyone seems to just say, "there's NO WAY they'll use nukes, it's suicide.
Well suicide to the Russian leadership would look like NATO, Ukes, USA rolling towards the border of Russia and all of it's air and missile defense systems destroyed. Russians have a nasty habit of just grinding bodies up and even if they lose a million men this time... or two million men.., it's just a fraction of what they lost in WW2.
I can't wait for Biden to meet the bodies at the tarmac in Germany or DC and regale us of his son Beau's wartime exploits and sacrifice. Europe is going to slowly realize that eastern Ukraine is a preview of what may happen if Ivan goes berserk.
But like I said, the cooler heads in our State Department, Intel Services and Executive branch are guiding us with a steady hand....
Russia has “ground up bodies” and still lost, and sued for peace. And, moreover, survived. Not every war is existential.
You are misled by the one case of WW2.
“Absolutely amazing how FR has become a cesspool of Russian propaganda. I just cannot imagine that FR is a big enough target to be a focus of the Russian troll farms... which tells me there are some pretty demented folks here”
I guess we’re now expected to support Biden here, right up to WW3, but oppose him on everything else?
“Lunatic ranting. At least half the population of Ukraine was Russian speaking in 2014: any Russians beaten and killed in Odessa were working to support Russia’s attack.”
‘beaten and killed’ is so yesterday - I believe the proper term is ‘purified’.
Are you so unaware that you don’t know of Putin’s plan to corner the market in rubber baby buggy bumpers while also playing peaknuckle with a French midget named Jacques? I guess you don’t read much, do you?
“Why? Because these dupes and clowns think Putin is their best savior against WEF and Globohomo.”
We tried with Trump, but neither the GOP nor the Democrats would permit him to put an end to that crap...so then who will stop them? Or, perhaps, a better question is whether the Ukraine supporters even want them (the WEF and Globohomos) stopped?
“I think that is absolutely correct That, along with the same Obama-era cowards of Syrian “red line” fame coming back in, basically gave Putin a green light. “
Agree, sucks to have presidents who don’t want to start a world war. But thankfully, with Biden, we now have one!
“If the Germans are so upset about the Nord being blown up, why did they send their tanks to Ukraine?”
You’d have to ask Sholtz that, but one possible reason might be that the US is about the only place left for them to get LNG in the long term (due to the pipeline being blown up and such), so they must do as told.
“The Ukraine couldn’t have made a serious run on Russia.”
Is that before or after we put NATO bases in Ukraine?
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