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Russia's Airborne Forces Lost 50% of Personnel, Ex-Kremlin Official Admits
MSN ^ | 1-31-2023 | Isabel van Brugen

Posted on 01/31/2023 12:17:30 PM PST by dennisw

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To: dennisw

Dennis! Bringing the MSN “hard news”!


21 posted on 01/31/2023 12:32:35 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: FreshPrince

Whatever you dislike is a good idea.


22 posted on 01/31/2023 12:32:53 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Williams

De nada W and have a fine day. The sun is shining outside of this FR skeptic land.


23 posted on 01/31/2023 12:33:26 PM PST by dennisw ("You don't have to like it. You just have to do it")
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To: CatOwner

I have no idea what the truth is. Neither do you or anyone else on this forum.


I generally agree with what you wrote here. It is a shame that conversation about this conflict is so nasty here on FR.

Like most I imagine, I don’t like Putin or Zelensky and I feel very sorry for all the poor folks suffering because of this dangerous conflict that should not have happened.

It is hard to say anything about it here on FR without someone coming along and accusing you of some thought crime as if they will somehow settle the war by how nasty they are to anonymous posters on a news forum.


24 posted on 01/31/2023 12:33:39 PM PST by volunbeer (We are living 2nd Thessalonians)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Dennis! Bringing the MSN “hard news”!

You Putin-philiacs complained so much about my UK Daily Mail posts. So now I use MSN too.

25 posted on 01/31/2023 12:36:16 PM PST by dennisw ("You don't have to like it. You just have to do it")
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To: volunbeer

Yeah. I hate Putin for starting this war, and I hate Ukraine for all of the political corruption that involves our leftist politicians and their families, all the way to FJB and Hunter. I really don’t understand how anyone could aggressively back anyone there.


26 posted on 01/31/2023 12:38:12 PM PST by CatOwner (Don't expect anyone, even conservatives, to have your back when the SHTF in 2021 and beyond.)
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To: dennisw
High casualty rates are to be expected. Airborne troops are essentially sacrificial troops. The Russian failure was to follow up and consolidate any early gains that the airborne troops had made.

Devore’s second point about high casualty rates is substantial. The point about aircraft vulnerability also contributed to high casualty rates. Of the two American divisions that landed- the 82nd Airborne Division and the 101stAirborne Division, consisting of 13,056 paratroops aboard 1,086 airplanes. By the end of D-Day, the 82nd Airborne Division could only account for approximately 2,000 of its men and had suffered 1,259 casualties. The 101st Airborne Division fared only marginally better, being able to account for about 2,500 of its men and suffering 1,240 casualties in addition to losing 60% of its equipment. By the end of their 33 days of front-line combat, the two airborne divisions combined for 9,915 total casualties out of almost 25,000 men, a 40% casualty rate, very similar to the casualty rate on Crete that forced the Germans to give up airborne operations.

https://medium.com/@robert.f.williams/how-effective-were-american-paratroopers-in-normandy-1c644cb017b6

27 posted on 01/31/2023 12:39:20 PM PST by FarCenter
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To: CatOwner
"What a load of BS. All reports about Russia-Ukraine are BS, made worse by the pom-pom wavers here."

They seem to think they have a

LICENSE TO LIE

, sort of like James Bond and his license to kill people. They seem to constitute a sort of a "BANDARLOG", Kipling's terminology.
28 posted on 01/31/2023 12:39:35 PM PST by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: CatOwner

You are correct, no one knows the real truth about that is going on over there. One thing that might be considered a truth is the vaunted Russian Army (Soviet Army) has been nothing more than a large Trojan Horse with no one in it. I would surmise that both is soldiers and officers are nothing more than actors wearing uniforms.
I served (US Army), retired and wonder just how much of the last 75 years has been a rabbit hole that we threw defense money into. Watching the Russian army makes me wonder if they could have made 20 miles into Germany had they decided to try an invasion. President Eisenhower may have been right about the Military Industrial Complex. We will never really know and perhaps we are lucky for that.


29 posted on 01/31/2023 12:39:53 PM PST by rustyboots
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To: CatOwner
What a load of BS.

This is straight from Russian state controlled media. How can it be bullshit?

30 posted on 01/31/2023 12:42:44 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: CatOwner
I have no idea what the truth is. Neither do you or anyone else on this forum.

Sounds more like if you personally disagree with something even your beloved Russkies on state TV say, you choose to have a tantrum like a baby and disbelieve it.

31 posted on 01/31/2023 12:44:28 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: EEGator

If Putin cares for his people, then this war would be over.

Nut Putin knows that if he retreats that us the end of his 23 year dictatorship. So Putin sends more Russian men to die for Putin’s ego


32 posted on 01/31/2023 12:44:50 PM PST by Cronos
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To: All

GOOD!

RUSSIAN SCUM!

KILL ‘EM ALL!


33 posted on 01/31/2023 12:45:00 PM PST by MplsSteve
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To: dennisw

“The walls are closing in”


34 posted on 01/31/2023 12:45:04 PM PST by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: mac_truck
Anything to deflect from the coffin convoy headed to Kiev from the Eastern front.

Russian state TV is trying to distract from bad news to help Ukraine! Who would have thunk it? You truly are a genius Mac. Maybe not Koko the Gorilla level. Maybe nowhere close to Professor Bobo. But you definitely have some smarts!

35 posted on 01/31/2023 12:46:33 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Find a post where I state a pro-Putin stance. I’ll help out here: don’t waste your time. You won’t find it. But that’s just the usually argument now.


36 posted on 01/31/2023 12:47:41 PM PST by CatOwner (Don't expect anyone, even conservatives, to have your back when the SHTF in 2021 and beyond.)
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To: CatOwner
Yeah. I hate Putin for starting this war, and I hate Ukraine for all of the political corruption that involves our leftist politicians and their families

Even this is complete fantasy. The only Ukrainians Hunter Biden had connections to... were all Russian stooges!

You people don't even have any fookin clue about anything!

37 posted on 01/31/2023 12:48:30 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Cronos
If Putin cares for his people, then this war would be over.... Nut Putin knows that if he retreats that us the end of his 23 year dictatorship. So Putin sends more Russian men to die for Putin’s ego

We all know that Putin is the biggest killer of Russians since Stalin. Who Putin idolizes. Putin is a sicko and he inflicts his sickness on Russians and Ukrainians. Putin need to die or be deposed soon.

38 posted on 01/31/2023 12:48:42 PM PST by dennisw ("You don't have to like it. You just have to do it")
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To: Bulwyf

You have excellent sources?

Then why have you said

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4041444/posts?page=47#47
Posted on 25th February 2022
“All Ukrainians who have surrendered just were made to sign a document saying they wouldn’t participate further and they were let go. Many Russian soldiers were met with dancing Ukrainian soldiers because they were happy to see them.”

26th February 2022 about Zelensky
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4041649/posts?page=49#49

“Last reports had him in Germany.”

3rd March 2022
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4043061/posts?page=136#136
“Well, my father in law was KGB”

Your sources seem to be often wrong


39 posted on 01/31/2023 12:55:29 PM PST by Cronos
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To: EEGator

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile-hoping it will eat him last.

Winston Churchill.

If you believe that Putin would be happy with just Ukraine...
I can get you a very good deal on a nice bridge for sale.
And yes, you can make it into a toll bridge...HUGE potential earnings possibilities...


40 posted on 01/31/2023 12:56:26 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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