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Avoiding a Long War - U.S. Policy and the Trajectory of the Russia-Ukraine Conflict (Russia is winning, US needs off ramp)
RAND CORP (that's right) ^

Posted on 01/29/2023 8:50:51 AM PST by BusterDog

Discussion of the Russia-Ukraine war in Washington is increasingly dominated by the question of how it might end. To inform this discussion, this Perspective identifies ways in which the war could evolve and how alternative trajectories would affect U.S. interests. The authors argue that, in addition to minimizing the risks of major escalation, U.S. interests would be best served by avoiding a protracted conflict. The costs and risks of a long war in Ukraine are significant and outweigh the possible benefits of such a trajectory for the United States.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: commietrolls4putin; notourwar; putinisgay; soviettrollsonfr; zotsoviettrolls
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To: buwaya

I’m just busting his chops about soccer.


81 posted on 01/29/2023 12:55:57 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: BusterDog

Very anti-American.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg

“Daniel Ellsberg (born April 7, 1931) is an American political activist, and former United States military analyst. While employed by the RAND Corporation,...”


82 posted on 01/29/2023 1:02:58 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: buwaya; Williams
"Well, we Euros rather like 'soccer' - football to us."

I discovered rugby late in life in a university club after the age of 30. Played second row poorly and had a good time. :)

83 posted on 01/29/2023 1:12:02 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: buwaya

In countries with fewer freedoms, some political factions tend to publish generalized or exaggerated American flaws to distract their own populations from domestic discontent.


84 posted on 01/29/2023 1:22:21 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: familyop

That was an old Soviet thing also, true. And a staple of Nazi/Fascist wartime propaganda.

It was, in some places, quite sincere though.
The old intellectual class had elite social roots, and the argument about social class (the Americans being déclassé in those days) was real.

It has returned in full force in the US however, one of the most curious things in my lifetime.


85 posted on 01/29/2023 1:32:54 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Mariner

“Rand”

Who?


86 posted on 01/29/2023 2:04:47 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: BusterDog

They should be worried - they’re crooks but will probably squirm out of it


87 posted on 01/29/2023 2:52:22 PM PST by NWFree (Somebody has to say it 🤪)
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To: Williams
Rand is looking at this from their interpretation of a US perspective using public information. They have no classified or insider information here.

This paper has a international realist tone to it. In regards to Ukraine the realist view of academics who sleep in safety is running into the test of reality and failing.

88 posted on 01/29/2023 3:37:51 PM PST by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni 🇺🇦 - No CCCP 2.0)
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To: BusterDog

Do you want Russia to win? Is that why you say that? I don’t see anything that indicates that.


89 posted on 01/29/2023 5:03:27 PM PST by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: BusterDog

90 posted on 01/29/2023 6:18:23 PM PST by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: Williams

Well I’ll be...

A mystery is solved.

You’re really William Bristol,been posting here all this time.


91 posted on 01/29/2023 6:27:22 PM PST by OKSooner (War is a racket. COVID-19 is a racket.)
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To: amnestynone
"Do you want Russia to win? "

This conflict is between Christians and a combine of nazis and the fops and wankers who stole the 2020 election and replaced DT with JoJo the ****ing gangster bum Biden.

You can bet your ass I want Russia to win. I assume that God also wants Russia to win. Clint Eastwood said that God hates idiots and I assume he hates nazis as well.

92 posted on 01/29/2023 6:28:12 PM PST by ganeemead (Ukraine/Zelensky: Adding an element of chutzpah to ordinary Nazism...)
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To: OKSooner

If there’s a joke there, I don’t know who William Bristol is.


93 posted on 01/29/2023 6:37:24 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: ganeemead

Wow.

Stop drinking, dude. You are sounding like a raging madman.


94 posted on 01/29/2023 6:43:27 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Williams

William Kristol.


95 posted on 01/29/2023 6:43:52 PM PST by OKSooner (War is a racket. COVID-19 is a racket.)
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To: OKSooner

lol don’t like him.


96 posted on 01/29/2023 6:46:37 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Vermont Lt

What do you mean “sounding like”?


97 posted on 01/29/2023 6:48:16 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: tet68

No good guys here and the mis-information is so thick it is impossible to know who is winning. In truth—no one is winning but the arms merchants and the people who make body bags.

In time, when people are sick of all the killings, the war will end. It will not be a ten year war but it could last another five. All wars end—only a few have total defeat like WW II. Goal should be to contain the thing—not expand it. Cooler heads needs to be in charge.


98 posted on 01/29/2023 7:30:43 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: buwaya

So the U.S courting China in the early 70’s via suck up diplomacy and essentially putting CCP control of China in stone is a great success story is it. It’s that retarded policy that now has China on the brink of knocking Uncle Sam of it’s pre eminent perch.


99 posted on 01/29/2023 8:22:46 PM PST by Long Jon No Silver (Rrily)
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To: Williams

You’ve got this conceited notion that opposing American adventurism and questionable geo political manipulations is anti Americanism. Might I remind you that DJT was opposed to sstupid Bush’s Iraq imperialism. And didn’t the founders if the U.S republlic warn of foreign entanglements via alliances. Time you got a nuanced view of wot is and is not anti Americanism


100 posted on 01/29/2023 8:32:23 PM PST by Long Jon No Silver (Rrily)
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