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Pentagon Will Increase Artillery Production Sixfold for Ukraine
New York Times ^ | Jan. 24, 2023 | John Ismay and Eric Lipton

Posted on 01/26/2023 9:03:18 PM PST by Zhang Fei

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To: Jane Long

The only thing that matters to a Biden worshiper is, “Will Their god Biden still get his dirty money”? They care not one whit whether people can buy food, pay rent, or even live. All that matters to them is that Biden continue to receive his graft money on time.


21 posted on 01/26/2023 10:01:47 PM PST by sport
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To: Revel

I am afraid you may be right as I don’t think Russia will walk away and I can’t say that I blame them.


22 posted on 01/26/2023 10:02:57 PM PST by Saintgermain
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To: Revel; marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; BeauBo; ...

Ukraine ping

Revel: [As Trump implied I am pretty sure this all ends with Nukes and very likely the war that ends all wars. The deep state is behind this.]


We installed intermediate nuclear missiles in West Germany and had tactical nukes ready to fire at Russian troops literally miles away. Somehow we survived. Ultimately war games end up the way they do because they’re games - at the end, everyone walks away. In real life, no one is going to launch nukes first against a nuclear adversary. Not because they’re great humanitarians, but because no conceivable benefit can make up for their own deaths and the deaths of the vast majority of their populations.

Even defeat in conventional war combined with major territorial loss doesn’t justify a nuclear strike against a nuclear adversary. In WWII, Russia lost 10% of its population. In a nuclear war with the US, Russia might lose 80% of its population. Comes down to simple cost-benefit arithmetic a child could compute.


23 posted on 01/26/2023 10:04:52 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Revel

[As Trump implied I am pretty sure this all ends with Nukes and very likely the war that ends all wars. The deep state is behind this.]


The Deep State as this monolithic entity hell-bent on screwing Republicans is BS dreamed up by grifters looking for political donations. They say Deep State when they mean Satan. It’s a badge of honor to lose to Satanic forces. Fighting Satan means never having to say you’re sorry. If Satan did it, how can you blame a mere mortal, a being of flesh and blood, for falling short? The Prince of Darkness is the closest thing to omnipotence made flesh. Send more money - next time we’ll do better.


24 posted on 01/26/2023 10:05:34 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Salvavida

“there is no path for Ukraine to win.”

Killing enough Russian occupiers till the rest run away seems like a pretty good path to victory.


25 posted on 01/26/2023 10:15:17 PM PST by Renfrew (Muscovia delenda est)
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To: realcleanguy
"World War III has begun. And our leaders are living in denial PROFITING HIGHLY FROM IT.

Fixed it for you. ;-)

26 posted on 01/26/2023 10:19:11 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: Zhang Fei; Honorary Serb

I fight Satan at every Orthodox Christian Sacrament, particularly at every Divine Liturgy, and most especially every Divine Liturgy of St. Basil!


27 posted on 01/26/2023 10:22:00 PM PST by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: Zhang Fei

This is a good indication of how far they’ve already dipped into existing stocks. The situation is getting serious.


28 posted on 01/26/2023 10:22:51 PM PST by glorgau
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To: PGR88

>> Ukraine is America’s colony

If only. Where’s our cheap wheat, then?

AMERICA IS UKRAINE’S SUGAR DADDY


29 posted on 01/26/2023 10:24:18 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Truth is not hate speech.)
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To: Zhang Fei

What do you have to say about the insane INVASION of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA at our southern border? I have not heard SQUAT from you on that issue.

Eff Ukraine. We don’t have time for them and we can’t afford them.


30 posted on 01/26/2023 10:27:27 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Truth is not hate speech.)
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To: Zhang Fei

>>The Deep State as this monolithic entity hell-bent on screwing Republicans is BS dreamed up by grifters looking for political donations.

The deep state is very, very real — and you are its neocon warmongering apologist. Therefore you are my enemy and I will look forward to seeing your salted-earth utter defeat.


31 posted on 01/26/2023 10:34:38 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Truth is not hate speech.)
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To: Nervous Tick

[What do you have to say about the insane INVASION of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA at our southern border? I have not heard SQUAT from you on that issue.

Eff Ukraine. We don’t have time for them and we can’t afford them.]


What we have here isn’t a refugee crisis. It’s an open borders Biden policy. Until the White House changes hands, there’s nothing we can do.

We need a Republican president in the White House. It’s not about money. It costs nothing to push them back into Mexico. Biden is taking them in, transporting them deep into the country and housing them in luxury accommodations. This is now official Democrat policy, and something that was too insane to even contemplate before. It is what it is. Voters will eventually boot these pols out when the costs start adding up.

In 2024, we have another shot at the White House. We’ll see whether Biden pulls it off again. If so, it’s gonna be another long 4 years.


32 posted on 01/26/2023 10:43:27 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Zhang Fei

America’s military capabilities should be reserved for America’s interests.


33 posted on 01/26/2023 10:53:40 PM PST by Arcadian Empire (The Baric-Daszak-Fauci spike protein, by itself, is deadly.)
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To: PGR88

More like Americans are servants of the government of Ukraine since American work is going to serve the government of Ukraine.


34 posted on 01/26/2023 10:54:47 PM PST by Arcadian Empire (The Baric-Daszak-Fauci spike protein, by itself, is deadly.)
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To: realcleanguy

This is World War 3.

The only question is whether it will stop before it goes nuclear.


35 posted on 01/26/2023 10:55:32 PM PST by Arcadian Empire (The Baric-Daszak-Fauci spike protein, by itself, is deadly.)
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To: Salvavida

Please get that message to the warmongering globalists in Congress.


36 posted on 01/26/2023 10:56:38 PM PST by Arcadian Empire (The Baric-Daszak-Fauci spike protein, by itself, is deadly.)
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To: Jane Long

Zelensky’s demands are, apparently, more important than Americans’ needs.


37 posted on 01/26/2023 10:57:57 PM PST by Arcadian Empire (The Baric-Daszak-Fauci spike protein, by itself, is deadly.)
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To: Nervous Tick

At this point, if the transaction was fair, America would own Ukraine.


38 posted on 01/26/2023 10:59:09 PM PST by Arcadian Empire (The Baric-Daszak-Fauci spike protein, by itself, is deadly.)
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To: Nervous Tick; marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; ...

Ukraine ping

Nervous Tick: [The deep state is very, very real — and you are its neocon warmongering apologist. Therefore you are my enemy and I will look forward to seeing your salted-earth utter defeat.]


The only invasion force I see consists of Russians venturing outside of Russia’s internationally recognized borders. In my limited imagination, warmongers are empire builders who conquer and annex territory, then use its inhabitants as cannon fodder. Oddly enough, that’s what Russians are doing with the inhabitants of the Donbass.

My primary issue with Russia’s invasion of Ukraine springs from the fact that Russia is already 4x the size of the EU, land area-wise and 2x the size of the next 2 largest countries combined. If Russia’s not big enough as it stands, there’s no limit to its appetite for conquest.

It’s one thing for Germany to want lebensraum, given its history of being kicked around until Frederick the Great united the German states. It’s quite another for an 11-time zone country like Russia to want more territory. During the 30 years war, some of the lands in what is now Germany lost 50% of their population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War In WWII, the Russians only had 10% of their population killed.

When you hear Russians complain about a fear of foreign invasion as justification for their expansive territorial visions, they’re talking from the vantage point that they are natural conquerors and everyone else is a natural subject for their conquests. And that’s fine insofar as it goes. If that’s what they feel, that’s what they feel. When they act on those impulses, however, using armed force to add resources and cannon fodder to their holdings, they are getting stronger and we are getting weaker.

That’s why we’re supplying the Ukrainians - to prevent the Russians from getting stronger and moving on to additional conquests down the road. It’s why we’re supplying the Saudis in Yemen - to prevent the Iranians from resurrecting the old Persian empire of old, which went all the way to what is now Turkey. Put out small fires before they become infernos is the idea.


39 posted on 01/26/2023 11:11:07 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Arcadian Empire

[This is World War 3.

The only question is whether it will stop before it goes nuclear.]


It won’t go nuclear. We won’t nuke them first because any president who did that would end up in prison. They won’t nuke us first because they would lose up to 80% of their population. Even in WWII, Russia only lost 10%. Even if they killed every one of us, an 80% loss means Russia becomes China’s biggest province. And Putin gets killed along with his family and everyone he knows.


40 posted on 01/26/2023 11:17:10 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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