The U.K. Is Giving Ukraine Hundreds Of Armored Vehicles. Russia Has A Plan For Wrecking Them.

Forbes via MSN ^ | 1/17/2022 | David Axe, Forbes Staff

[RomanSoldier19]

he United Kingdom isn’t just sending Ukraine a small batch of surplus Challenger 2 tanks. It’s planning to donate hundreds of armored vehicles and self-propelled howitzers. Enough equipment for a whole brigade.

But the Russian government knows this—and it’s planning to spoil the Ukrainian offensive with an offensive of its own.

[dforest]

Well,they have Harry.

[Rockingham]

A major Russian offensive is unlikely to do any better than it did at the start of the invasion of Ukraine. The Russians may train and equip new formations, but their weapons, tactics, command, and communications will be no better than before. And that spells defeat for Russia.

[wildcard_redneck]

If things were going well they would not be upping their military hardware welfare for the Ukraine.

[wildcard_redneck]

"A major Russian offensive is unlikely to do any better than it did at the start of the invasion of Ukraine. The Russians may train and equip new formations, but their weapons, tactics, command, and communications will be no better than before. And that spells defeat for Russia."

I wonder if the Germans in World War II said the same things about Russia?

[tlozo]

I wonder if the Germans in World War II said the same things about Russia?

Major difference, between now and WW2 is we supplied Russia with massive aid in WW2. Now the West is supplying Ukraine.

[wildcard_redneck]

"Major difference, between now and WW2 is we supplied Russia with massive aid in WW2. Now the West is supplying Ukraine."

We are no longer the industrial power that we were and I am certain that China is getting into the game. China can supply everything that Russia needs.

Bidenistas are going after the wrong enemy instead of China because they are owned by China.

[tlozo]

Did I read they’re going to send a whopping 14 (fourteen) tanks? Are they f’ing kidding?

Its notable because its starting a precedent. These would be the first western tanks sent to Ukraine.

[tlozo]

We are no longer the industrial power that we were

US has 6,000 Bradley's in stock, Europe has over 2,000 Leopard tanks. If the West opened the floodgates, this war would be over.

West also has innovation.

Boeing's Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb(GLSDB) integrates two combat-proven systems, which are available in large quantities, Boeing’s Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) and the M26 Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) rocket, to provide ground and joint forces with a long-range(100 mile), precision fires weapon.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/discover_boeing_glsdb_ground-launched_small_diameter_bomb_that_us_considering_supply_ukraine.html

[wildcard_redneck]

You totally ignored the main argument in my comment. China is getting into the game and China can supply everything that Russia needs.

Bidenistas are going after the wrong enemy instead of China because they are owned by China.

[tlozo]

China can supply everything that Russia needs. Bidenistas are going after the wrong enemy instead of China because they are owned by China

No proof China is supplying war materials to Russia vs Iran and N Korea.

This is also an example to China, invasions of neighbors for territorial gain, will result in sanctions and military support for the invaded.

[wildcard_redneck]

The sanctions have backfired spectacularly. Our craptastic government has engineered the offshoring most remanufacturing, including pharmaceuticals. Are you willing to live in a world without antibiotics if we sanction China?

[popdonnelly]

Because the Russian military is so clever, despite evidence to the contrary.

[Rockingham]

I wonder if the Germans in World War II said the same things about Russia?

Different countries with different armies with different weapons in different wars. In today's war, my money is on the side of the people and army defending their country with HIMARS and moderns ATGMs.

[blitz128]

From what I have read the uk has close to 140 challenger tanks they no longer require, the US is retiring the Stryker nd has something like 1000 excess bradleys Poland is converting to K2s and Abrams’s and I think they hav several hundred leopards
What I find fascinating is all the people who talk about these countries donating/selling military hardware to Ukraine are gutting their militaries by sending this stuff, well isn’t this what the stuff was for? If it was made for a fight with Russia and there is a fight with Russia seems like it is being used for its purpose.
Russia has lost some 10000 pieces of equipment and probably close to 2000 tanks and they are at the point of pulling t-62s out for the boneyard. 1000s of missiles and rockets have been expended millions of rounds of rockets and artillery ammunition. Planes and ships have been lost and 10s of thousands of soldiers have been killed or wounded to the point that Russia is having to mobilize 100s of thousands more.
All of this in taking on a much smaller country.
Despite what many say the Russian economy is hurting, petro revenue which is the majority of their income is way down, second is military exports which is way down and frankly whenever this over can’t imagine the track record will inspire many new buyers
Their ability to replace loses are small
When conscripts start coming from White Russian areas and start coming home in body bags what will happen to real public opinion
Putin is in his Stalingrad moment and perhaps even more appropriate his Kursk moment. He wants a win no matter the cost and he may get it
But at what cost, does Russia really threaten Poland now, can he keep all the different groups that make up the federation together or will a weakened Moscow/Putin reside over the next breakup of Russia

[blitz128]

Don’t agree with you on the sanctions petro income to Russia their main source of revenue is way down, went from surplus to deficit, there is no way they can replace loses let alone export military equipment another large part of their past income

As to China I doubt they are going to support Putin but they may pick up some land on the cheap

With regard to off shoring stuff esp pharmaceuticals that is and was a problem like relying on Germany in WW2 to supply Allie’s with ammunition we will see if the world wakes up to this issue
Lastly China is not the giant they seem to be, a huge part of their wealth/gdp is tied to real estate and they have a growing problem with that

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

If things were going well they would not be upping their military hardware welfare for the Ukraine.

Alternatively, if things were going well for Russia, they wouldn't be trading ground attack jets for drones from Iran or begging to North Korea.

[wildcard_redneck]

Does it ever give you pause that you are cheerleading a war brought to you by the WEF Davos crowd? The same people pushing the communist Great Reset comprised of perversion, depopulation, and deindustrialization?

[The Louiswu]

We are in the opening stages of WW3 and folks are concerned about what sort of tanks and weapons are being sent to the fight, what a hoot.

[Forward the Light Brigade]

Why does UK need an army? The USA will protect them and the US Army is invincible. No one on Planet Earth can beat an American Warrior!

[alexander_busek]

We are no longer the industrial power that we were [...]

The industrial output of the U.S. has actually increased since 1945!

Our capacity to manufacture "smart" drones, hypersonic missiles, laser-guided munitions, tanks with ablative armor, etc. in 1945 was ZERO.

Add to that the fact that it isn't just the U.S. supplying Ukraine: It is the entire West, plus Japan, S. Korea, Australia...

To assert that America (and its allies) are less capable, militarily, than they were back in 1945 is absurd!

Regards,