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Rheinmetall builds new ammunition production in Germany
Die Welt ^ | 12/15/2022

Posted on 01/16/2023 2:55:04 PM PST by Zhang Fei

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To: oldguy1776

” As an example a US M1A1 Thompson in 45ACP will sell for around $33,000.”

One was up for private estate sale, here in PA, pristine, extra mags for $60k. I passed on it.


21 posted on 01/16/2023 4:50:22 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: oldguy1776; marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; ...

Ukraine ping

oldguy1776: [Rheinmetall built the MG34 and the MG 42 General Purpose machine guns used in WW2. Our M60 was patterned off of that. It featured a changeable barrel and the MG42 fired up to 1200 rounds per minute.

My Father said that when you heard an MG42 go off you learned to duck real quick. Same thing with the MP40 sub machine gun.
I have shot both weapons and they were something else. There are very few left in existence in this country and they are all registered with the ATF and are not cheap to buy...if any owner even wants to sell one. As an example a US M1A1 Thompson in 45ACP will sell for around $33,000.

All of these are legal, depending on your state, but you definitely need some spare change to get one...:)]


Thanks for the personal insights. Rheinmetall may be one of the few German companies to get two bites at the apple, such as it is. First as training center provider to the Russians, and now as ammo provider to the Ukrainians.

If Scholz keeps on stonewalling, even on third party transfers to Ukraine, though, Rheinmetall may miss out on the ammo and parts procurement aspect of aid to Ukraine, never mind the cash purchases Ukraine ends up making. Assuming it wins, who is Ukraine going to reward with purchase orders - Germany, which balked every step of the way, or the Anglosphere, which has grudgingly but eventually transferred some of the arms needed? Leaving out the question of quid pro quo, who in his right mind would trust Germany as a weapons supplier in wartime, given its repeated hemming and hawing over supplying Ukraine? Scholz is doing a real number on Germany’s arms industry.

Kamil Galeev, a young Russian scholar, on the training center Rheinmetall helped construct in Russia, through shell companies:


https://www.wilsoncenter.org/person/kamil-galeev
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1544539580728221696.html
[ FYI: Mulino is where German Rheinmetall company was building (in their own words):

“Measuring over 500 square kilometres, the state-of-the-art Russian army training centre in Mulino designed to train a reinforced mechanized infantry or armoured brigade”

rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall…

Unroll available on Thread Reader

https://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/public_relations/news/archiv/archive2016/index~1_1219.php

Mulino was modelled after the training center of Bundesehr in Altmarkt. In order to proceed with the construction, the Rheinmentall entered in the strategic partnership with Russian stated owned defence company Oboronservis Image

That was the high point of Serdyukov’s reform. Serdyukov tried to modernise the Russian army importing ready solutions from the West: from the armaments to the tactics. And the Rheinmetall was more than ready to help to train the Russian troops Image

Rheinmetall planned to build “the most advanced system of its kind worldwide” and able to train 30 000 troops per year Image

There is strong evidence that Rheinmetall broke sanction regime. After 2014 it could not supply its equipment directly, because of the sanctions. According to the Russian Deputy Minister of Defence, after Rheinmetall it was the Russian “Garrison” company which finished the center Image

importgenius.com/russia/supplie…

Here we see the “Garrison” company as one of major purchasers from Rheinmetall Image

Rheinmetall Defence Electronics Gmbh | See Full Import/Export History | ImportGenius

Government customs records and notifications available for Rheinmetall Defence Electronics Gmbh in Russia. See their past export from Ао “”гарнизон””, an importer based in Russia. Follow future shippi…

https://www.importgenius.com/russia/suppliers/rheinmetall-defence-electronics-gmbh

Some examples of shipments from 2019. Russian “Garnison” company was finishing the center (which Rheinmetall started) and it was buying equipment from Rheinmentall. Most probably, Garnison was just a proxy importgenius.com/russia/importe… ImageImage

Initially Rheinmetall built the Mulino center to “train a reinforced mechanized infantry or armoured brigade”. And indeed, in 2020 the Russian Western Military District declared they’ll make a “unique training center for tank forces” in Mulino

niann.ru/?id=557278 Image

Уникальный учебный центр танкистов создадут в Мулино

Новости Нижнего Новгорода

https://www.niann.ru/?id=557278

Conclusion

1. Rheinmetall AG was building the infrastructure to train the Russian land army

2. There is indirect evidence of the Rheinmetall AG bypassing the sanctions through a Russian proxy company “Garnison” as late as in 2019

Lots of materials on the training center for the Russian army built in Mulino by the Rheinmetall AG are obviously deleted but fortunately their press release is still available on the company website

https://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/public_relations/news/archiv/archive2016/index~1_1219.php

Screenshots ImageImageImage

PS. If we look at where the Russian “Garnison” company which finished Mulino training center after the Rheinmetall was importing, we’ll see that 100% of its imports are from Germany (Германия). With Rheinmetall being of course the main supplier. Russian company was just a proxy ]


22 posted on 01/16/2023 4:55:56 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Zhang Fei

Obsessing over military budgets and weapons manufacturers was indeed a “fellow traveler” trope of the Cold War. And before that too, as it was an item of Communist propaganda going back to WWI.


23 posted on 01/16/2023 5:56:22 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: dforest

Germany is a very rich country.

I was stationed there in the 1990s.

Their welfare is double, maybe triple ours.

Nobody is going to starve or freeze to death.

Not even (and probably especially) the Auslander (swarthy people from South of the Mediterranean and Middle East) Volke.

Even with higher prices, they should pay for Ukraine’s defense, not us.


24 posted on 01/16/2023 6:00:07 PM PST by Alas Babylon! (Gov't declaring misinformation is tyranny: “Who determines what false information is?” )
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To: Alas Babylon!

Among the reasons that President Trump not only brought back V Corps, but moved it from Germany to Poland, must be some related to Germany’s lack of alliance value and commitment.


25 posted on 01/16/2023 6:15:39 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

[Among the reasons that President Trump not only brought back V Corps, but moved it from Germany to Poland, must be some related to Germany’s lack of alliance value and commitment.]


Probably more of a pretext more than anything else. The Germans were footing some of the cost. I’d be surprised if the Poles ponied up a similar amount, given their more limited resources. Trump likely understood that the tripwire needed to be further east so as to be firmly in place the minute the Russians crossed the Polish border. Make sure the Russians understood the moment they crossed into Poland that they were at war with the United States not just in word, but in deed. None of that Phoney War business to give the Russians a respite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War


26 posted on 01/16/2023 6:28:16 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: BenLurkin

There’s a fortune to be made from the blood of Ukrainian soldiers.
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Exactly. I do know one thing: When the very last Ukrainian is asked was it worth it all, that person will say no.

Carry on war cheerleaders, your road leads to destruction.


27 posted on 01/16/2023 7:45:08 PM PST by delta7
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To: Zhang Fei

You mean I will be able to get lots of 6.5 x 55 Norma for my Ljungman rifle?

It has an almost flat trajectory at 500 yards...excellent.


28 posted on 01/17/2023 6:26:52 AM PST by Candor7 ( ( Ask not for whom THE Trump trolls...He trolls for thee!))
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