[Right_Wing_Madman]

I think the deal is if they don’t negotiate peace, demilitarize, denazifi, and acknowledge the four regions plus Crimea belong to Russia BEFORE the the troops assembled to the north and east come in, then they will lose Odessa, be forever a landlocked rump state.

Zelensky over-committed to Donbass and it was a terrible mistake. Ukraine has to be very careful here. The retreat could become a rout.

[Timber Rattler]

Zelensky over-committed to Donbass and it was a terrible mistake.

And you know this, how?