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To: USA-FRANCE
Why do you disrespect a sovereign nation’s right for sovereignty?

This is an interesting formulation of the issue. It assumes the existence of sovereignty and polarizes anyone that engages in discussion into respect or disrespect categories. Disrespect is meant to trigger a disgust reflex and the desire for cleanliness or dare I say extermination. Propaganda 101 here, but very a clever question.

Perhaps, USA-FRANCE you might comment on the thesis of the writing that I posted for comment. Namely, Maidan was the most obvious coup in the history of coups. Immediately following the installation of the junta, Russians in the Donbass and Crimea expressed pretty clearly that they did not want to be ruled by Galicians that made Russian illegal and who cut off their water supply. So sovereignty has always been in issue.

Maybe you are more France than USA, because it should be clear to you that governments can change "When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another ...", etc., etc. So I would say the guys that signed that document disrespected sovereignty. You don't question what they did do you?

64 posted on 01/12/2023 9:43:41 PM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: frithguild

“Maidan was the most obvious coup in the history of coups. Immediately following the installation of the junta.”

You got that backwards:

The “junta” you are talking about was actually already in place and represented by the pro Russian puppet Mr. Viktor Yanukovych.
Viktor Yanukovych was like General Pétain during WWII in France. He became Socialist-Germany’s puppet. He took his orders from Berlin, not from Paris.
The French didn’t like that, I can tell you.

Viktor Yanukovych took his orders from Moscow, not Kiev.
No wonder the Ukrainians started their Maidan Revolution.
They want to rule in their own country. Nothing wrong about that.

Ukraine IS a sovereign nation. Its borders are recognized internationally.
No one disputes that. Russia for Russians. Ukraine for Ukraininans.

Lets respect borders. We like borders in America don’t we? Heck, I even adore big solid walls to protect us from invasions.

Also:
The USA, UK and the Russia SIGNED the Budapest Memorandum in 1994.
Where they all agreed to protect Ukraine’s borders and integrity and from any kind of potential invasion from Russia.

AMERICA signed that agreement, but in return demanded that Ukraine ship over to Russia the whole Ukrainian Nuclear arsenal they had at that time.
Ukraine honored that deal. THEY were fair play.

Today, America and UK feel obliged to honor at least somewhat... (since there are no US troops on the ground in Ukraine) the Budapest Memorandum Agreement by sending them defensive weapons.


68 posted on 01/12/2023 10:02:15 PM PST by USA-FRANCE
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