Russia’s war lacks strategy, only aim is to bring suffering - analysis

The Jerusalem Post ^ | JANUARY 2, 2023 | SETH J. FRANTZMAN

[tlozo]

Where were you when America used the same tactics on Yugoslavia and Iraq?

With our final goal being conquering and annexing territory? Missed that

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

You’re also a very pitiful liar. You can’t celebrate Russian morality and condemning the West and then turn around and say you’re not rooting for Russia. You’ve made clear that you believe the USA is evil for Iraq but somehow Russia is righteous for doing the same thing.

Of course, as others have pointed out, your premise as usual is false.

[Justa]

“I saw its implementation in Iraq in 2003”

As did I but imo it was just a follow on of GWI’s degrade and attrit strategy of reducing the enemy’s resources, mobility and assets before committing troops. This is why imo both wars were essential walkovers.

Saddam and his Russian KGB/FSB advisers began planning the Insurgency before Baghdad even fell. SOCOM knew the plan from prior KGB-led insurgencies in Vietnam, Rhodesia, South Africa, Lebanon, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Venezuela, etc. But since these were defensive operations the focus was on Special Forces supporting national militaries rather than overthrowing and suppressing a KGB-sponsored terrorist state -which now appears to be the norm.

In Iraq the insurgency Was the former government and its aligned terrorist groups -which became one in the same in many instances after the fall of Baghdad. It retained KGB support and training with funding via Qatar, Iran and other intermediaries. Volunteers were drawn from throughout the region on religious, ideological and fanatical/terrorist grounds. The occupation troops wound up being required to fight a counter-insurgency which they were not initially trained, equipped or focused for.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

I responded to your claims about what Russia is targeting, pointing out they’re not doing what you claim and that what they are doing is also ineffectual.

What does that have to do with Iraq? It seems we were pretty effectual there in winning the war with the least damage to civilians and infrastructure possible. I believe Baghdad did sustain damage to power, but this was not intended by the US. Either way, it also wasn’t the winter and Iraqis weren’t exactly known for being reliant on the AC to survive a regular Iraqi day.

[tlozo]

I’m pointing out glaring hypocrisy.

Gooses > Gander.

Important difference was the ultimate goal of each country, enslavement vs freedom.

[WMarshal]

“With our final goal being conquering and annexing territory? Missed that”

Now you are conflating tactics with desired outcomes and they are not the same thing. What you have your panties in a wad over, the bombing of civilian infrastructure, America has done many times over because in industrialized warfare the military is supported by the civilian infrastructure. Your problem with it is only due to you being on the ideological side of the country being dismantled.

And mark my words, the Ukraine is being dismantled.

[Toad of Toad Hall]

Here is a video from Brian Berletic, a former US marine who is, in the video below, using primarily Ukrainian sources to make his points:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ezXGoVyAWX8&t=911s

He also refers to the 2019 Rand Corporation paper describing how NATO can undermine Russia by provoking them to go to war in Ukraine.

So, most of what is used above is NOT Russian sourced.

Again, I see you use the tactic of blaming your adversary for everything your side is guilty of. The actual NAZIs are on the Ukrainian side. There is a long, well documented history there that is truly undeniable. So, don’t go there.

Finally, I have a personal first hand account by a family member of Donetsk City being shelled by Ukraine attacking civilians only when there are no military assets around whatsoever.

I am not Russian, have not lived in Russia and have no other allegiance than to my own country, the USA.

You can call me whatever you like. But the longer myths about this war are advanced the more innocent people will be hurt.

If you don’t acknowledge the veracity of what I share above I would ask you on what basis I should trust Biden, the democrat congress and the US media after a half century of lies, subterfuge and propaganda.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

“Mark my words, Ukraine is being dismantled.”

Correction: you want Ukraine to be dismantled, but it isn’t actually happening in fact.

Secondly, it’s pointless to mark your words because all promises and assertions by your side since day 1 have been proven false. Remember the glory days when Ukraine was supposed to lose the entire East because 30,000-50,000 troops were allegedly trapped or would be imminently trapped in a cauldron?

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Are you a sock puppet account by Cranked? I’m not going to listen to 20 minutes of video from one of Cranked’s commie sources that even defends North Korea.

You got something to prove, post the argument and the alleged source and we’ll go from there.

[Fairhairedboy]

Ukraine is only a country in the game of Risk and this Seinfeld take was more realistic than the fake war and the fake impeachment.

[tlozo]

Now you are conflating tactics with desired outcomes and they are not the same thing.

Right because goals don't matter, so we bombed civilians in WW2 and so did the nazis, so we are just the same? Goals matter.

[Toad of Toad Hall]

As I thought, you’re not interested in truth, just name calling and demagoguery. I gave you an honest reply and you can’t bother taking even 5 minutes to educate yourself. Nor can you attempt a respectful response. If the Ukrainians depend on people like you to make their case, they’re doomed for sure.

[Kazan]

Update on Russian military operations in Ukraine for January 2, 2023:

- Fighting continues around Bakhmut and across the wider Donbass region;
- Russian missile and drone strikes continue for several days now;
- Ukrainian sources claim “all” drones were downed but damage to infrastructure proves otherwise;
- Ukraine claims to have hit Russian troops with a HIMARS rocket attack;
- The attack is only in the news because it happens so infrequently;
- Russia carries out similar attacks nearly daily with its much larger number of guided-rocket launchers and ballistic missile systems;
- NATO admits Russia can fight on long-term and that Ukraine requires long-term support;
- EU begins training 1,100 Ukrainians for 2 months and plans to train up to 15,000 over the next 2+ years;
- 200-300 Ukrainian perish in fighting daily at a minimum with fighting around Bakhmut raising deaths and injuries to around 1,000 daily;
- Russian President Vladimir Putin reiterates that the West is using Ukraine as a proxy to harm Russia, a fact stated in US policy documents like RAND's 2019 "Extending Russia" paper;

[WMarshal]

"Right because goals don't matter, so we bombed civilians in WW2 and so did the nazis, so we are just the same? Goals matter."

So you admit that you are wrong. Thanks.

Face it, RuZZia is dismantling the Ukraine and will soon take the territory it wants from its breakaway region.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

No matter how much you cry, no way in hell am I going to waste my time on a literal communist YouTube channel.

If you have something to prove, don’t be lazy, present it yourself. I won’t let the commie do your work for you.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Note: no source for any of your figures

[MeganC]

Russia started the war. Why do you think Russians should be immune to the effects of a war of aggression that they started?

[MeganC]

I’m sure he thinks that Russia can continue to wage war with all of their T34 tanks that they have stored up.

[rottweiller_inc]

Well maybe what Russia is really fighting that is of interest to America is the idea that the Washington DC Elite have the right to dictate to other countries what they shouldn’t shouldn’t do and have the right to train armies and built by biological centers Territories bordering their nation

[JonPreston]

Beat it foreigner.