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To: Rockingham

This has been in the works since 20014 when we fomented the coup against a democratically elected government and essentially installed a bunch of puppet politicians there to do our bidding. These puppet politicians began harassing ethnic Russian speakers and their culture eventually causing the majority in the Donbas to seek separation. You know the rest. Ukraine bombed the civilian population in the Donbas killing 14,000, eventually causing Russia to intercede and protect them. This was a carefully orchestrated plan that had been in the works for some time. Hillary was supposed to lead it when she was expected to win in 2016, but Trump’s win delayed matters until they could steal the next election and put their boy Biden in there.


193 posted on 12/19/2022 7:31:45 PM PST by jimwatx
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To: jimwatx
Somehow, Russian apologists never seem to tire of peddling the absurd notion that Ukrainian pro-Russian elements are legitimate but that pro-Western elements in Ukraine are not. As it was, the Maidan protests that toppled Ukraine's pro-Russian government under Yanukovych were triggered when he bowed to intense pressure from Moscow, and, in November of 2013 reversed course and scuttled a planned association agreement with the EU just days before it was scheduled to be signed.

The accord would have more closely integrated political and economic ties between the EU and Ukraine. As popular protests mounted at Yanukovych's betrayal, he cracked down by attempting to ban demonstrations and to arrest the leaders. The result was that Yanukovych was forced out of office and fled to Russia when the Ukrainian military and police refused to obey his orders.

How is the West to blame for the thuggish stupidity of Russia and their Ukrainian puppet, Yanukovych, that led to his ouster from office? Or for his massive corruption? Or for conflicts between pro-Russian and pro-Western Ukrainians, with Russia fomenting clashes and using them as an excuse to carve off slices of Ukraine? Or for the Russian invasion and Putin's plan to install Yanukovych as their puppet Ukrainian president?

Logic and facts rarely enter into Russian propaganda claims. Notably, when Russia invaded, even ethnic Russian speakers in Ukraine shunned them. There is a vast difference between wanting better treatment from your government and wanting to experience an invasion and overthrow of that government by a brutal neighbor. When Ukraine wins and Russia is forced out, my surmise is that Ukrainians will celebrate, even Russian speaking Ukrainians.

194 posted on 12/19/2022 9:11:47 PM PST by Rockingham
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