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To: TheBattman

“Well - if you ignore some pretty damning evidence that these figures (and quite a few more in the local churches) have been actively supporting Russian troops via intelligence, safe harbor, and even financially.”

Baloney. Those monks in those churches, down in the basement with their shortwaves. They reporting whether the lights are off or on? Or you think with their secret commando training they are out there identifying weapons, mapping nazi positions etc? They are more watched by SBU than anyone else.

It’s just Ukrainian bigotry on the order of cancelling the Nutcracker, pulling Russian dressing off the shelf, burning Tolstoy books. Just idiotic Uke drama.


20 posted on 12/12/2022 8:54:15 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: DesertRhino
Never mind that Ukrainans (ethnically) have a VERY long-standing distrust (or hatred for many) of Russia/Russians.

Of course, anyone who has spent 5 minutes digging in to the history of Ukraine - it isn't hard to understand why. Russians have raped and pillaged what we know as Ukraine for centuries, but it grew to horrific levels under the Soviet Union - with Stalin's Holodomor Genocide setting the tone for the Russian treatment of Ukraine/ethnic Ukrainians ever since.


Reasonable estimate: 10,000,000 Urkainians dead in that genocide.

Even the Chornobyl disaster - was handled with the same utter disdain for Ukrainians.

Ukrainians have watched their hopes of both independence from Russia, and their sovereignty constantly attacked - by Russia, both overtly through policies and threats (and blatant lies from Moscow), but in slightly more covert means in Russia's manipulations of Ukrainian elections, maffia-like extortion and racketeering for nearly a decade in Crimea to destabilize it then set off red flag violence to give Russia an "excuse" to invited and annex right in the wake of the Maidan Revolution in Kyiv (which was a revolution against a Russian puppet).

There are a lot of layers to Ukrainian hate of Russia - and while not all is "right" or morally justified - anyone who cares to understand history, cannot help but sympathize.

26 posted on 12/14/2022 9:06:06 AM PST by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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