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House passes defense bill scrapping military's Covid vaccine mandate
NBC News ^ | 12/08/2022 | Staff

Posted on 12/08/2022 1:07:58 PM PST by thegagline

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To: thegagline

Austin is a Fat, Stupid, Affirmative Action, Token Asshole. He won’t rescind anything. F’ing coward will just do nothing to enforce the mandate.

Prove me wrong!


21 posted on 12/08/2022 2:31:45 PM PST by OHPatriot (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: thegagline
If the Senate passes this bill, I wonder whether Austin will recind the mandate.
The “vaccine” has been about subjugation and segregation and not about science.
Events may soon prove me wrong, but my guess is he'll obey. There are plenty of other ways to impose ritual humiliation.
22 posted on 12/08/2022 3:27:28 PM PST by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along. )
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To: Izzatso

China is celebrating.
Why?

China manufactures weaponized viruses. Or so I’ve been told.

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OH, I did not understand...

Since:

1. The “vaccines” are more dangerous than COVID.

2. Many are not enlisting or re-enlisting due to the mandate
which makes our military weaker. Interesting how they mandated for certain groups...First responders, military, heath care workers...

3. So I’ve been told, (and read in articles/books) COVID was a joint venture between US and China. It has allowed for gene therapy—now down to children under age 5, as well as a push for global control and surveillance.


23 posted on 12/08/2022 4:51:32 PM PST by Freedom56v2
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To: thegagline

Great news!

Now maybe the CMS Medicare/Medicaid mandates can be dumped too!


24 posted on 12/08/2022 4:53:23 PM PST by Freedom56v2
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To: Freedom56v2
OH, I did not understand...

Since:

1. The “vaccines” are more dangerous than COVID.

2. Many are not enlisting or re-enlisting due to the mandate which makes our military weaker. Interesting how they mandated for certain groups...First responders, military, heath care workers...

3. So I’ve been told, (and read in articles/books) COVID was a joint venture between US and China. It has allowed for gene therapy—now down to children under age 5, as well as a push for global control and surveillance.


That's all nice, but nowhere in there do I see how unvaccinated U.S. troops would deal with a weaponized Chinese virus.
25 posted on 12/08/2022 5:44:51 PM PST by Izzatso
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To: Izzatso

I’m a troop. Anecdotally, the unvaccinated in my formation did just as well, if not better, than the vaccinated when it came to contracting covid. The symptoms for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated who did contract it were very similar.

Anecdotally, I didn’t see a difference between the two groups.

And I got the J&J on 24 AUG 21, and I wound up getting Cerebral Vein Sinus Thrombosis, a blood clot in my brain. I get another MRI Monday to see if I’m making progress or getting medically retired.


26 posted on 12/08/2022 5:49:56 PM PST by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. )
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To: OHPatriot

Austin will be in violation of the law if he refuses to rescind his mandate. He will then be asked to either resign by Biden, because Biden doesn’t need that kind of pushback on a law he signed, or Austin opens himself up to legitimate impeachment for violating the legislation signed into law.


27 posted on 12/08/2022 5:52:21 PM PST by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. )
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas

About how many guys in your group if I may ask? Just wondering about the sample size.


28 posted on 12/08/2022 5:57:58 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: thegagline

https://mises.org/library/living-reality-military-economic-fascism


29 posted on 12/08/2022 6:00:23 PM PST by Varsity Flight ( "War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18. Nazarite prayer warriors. 10.5.6.5)
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas

Anecdotes noted, thanks. Do you consider the Chinese capable of developing and deploying viruses more powerful than COVID?


30 posted on 12/08/2022 6:02:17 PM PST by Izzatso
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To: Yardstick

120-ish. It’s not your typical formation. We have Department of the Army Civilians as well. The age range of Active Duty to DAC is ~26-67. Some of those DACs are old.

Including me, I know for a fact there are at least four people who have had more than just “typical” adverse reactions to the vaccine. I’m talking about bad enough to be grounded from flight. I’m the only one with a blood clot in my head. The others are myocarditis and Atrial fibrulation. Those are all under 40 year old Active Duty.

Of the 40 people in my direct formation, all but four were vaccinated. Out of the 36 vaccinated, all had covid with mild to moderate symptoms. Two of four vaccinated personnel contracted covid with mild to moderate symptoms.

I have this data because I was the one sending up reports on a daily basis.


31 posted on 12/08/2022 6:18:14 PM PST by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. )
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To: Izzatso

I do, indeed. I believe this one was released only to cause economic and political chaos to get Trump out of office and move trillions of dollars.


32 posted on 12/08/2022 6:19:32 PM PST by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. )
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To: pfflier

No. They didn’t add that.


33 posted on 12/08/2022 6:19:57 PM PST by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016 democratic )
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas

Okay. And this more powerful virus could incapacitate or even kill unvaccinated troops, would you agree?


34 posted on 12/08/2022 6:56:07 PM PST by Izzatso
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas

Wow, so a pretty good sized group and 100% of the vaccinated got Covid. This lines up with what I’ve seen as well. In my immediate family the only ones who haven’t gotten Covid are unvaccinated.


35 posted on 12/08/2022 6:58:15 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Izzatso

Unvaccinated against a virus which doesn’t exist at this point outside a lab with a vaccine that hasn’t been produced?

Or are you implying that this covid vaccine would protect against a to-be-weaponized virus in the future?

If there’s weaponized virus that is infecting and killing at a rate of greater than 5-10%, then sure. The risk is worth the reward. For reference, SARS and MERS both have mortality rates that dwarf Covid-19.

However, the covid mortality rate for those under 65 is ~0.09%. And I haven’t seen any difference in the symptom load/severity between vaccinated and unvaccinated in the healthy, military aged population.


36 posted on 12/08/2022 7:16:27 PM PST by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. )
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas
Unvaccinated against a virus which doesn’t exist at this point outside a lab with a vaccine that hasn’t been produced?

Against a hypothetical, more powerful future Chinese-made virus like we just discussed, yes.

Or are you implying that this covid vaccine would protect against a to-be-weaponized virus in the future?

The current one being administered? No. I'm unaware of any kind of 'universal' vaccine.

If there’s weaponized virus that is infecting and killing at a rate of greater than 5-10%, then sure. The risk is worth the reward. For reference, SARS and MERS both have mortality rates that dwarf Covid-19.

Well, I'm considering not only the mortality rate, but also the length of time a soldier is too sick to perform their duties; as well as the time and resources needed to care for them.

Presuming you agree with mandatory vaccinations for military personnel should the mortality rate of our discussed hypothetical future weaponized virus be deemed high enough to warrant it (I'm on board with you there), would you agree with it being mandatory should the incapacitation rate be deemed high as well?
37 posted on 12/08/2022 7:35:26 PM PST by Izzatso
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas

And I’d add the issue of the military being ‘stretched thin’ at present.


38 posted on 12/08/2022 7:40:32 PM PST by Izzatso
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas

I bet Austin does not rescind the mandate. He will direct it to not be enforced. Not enforcing is the coward’s way out. Austin will never admit the mandate was wrong and detrimental to readiness.

All service members that were discharged will be screwed more than they already have been.

Fat Bastard needs Fragged!


39 posted on 12/08/2022 7:48:11 PM PST by OHPatriot (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Izzatso
Well, I'm considering not only the mortality rate, but also the length of time a soldier is too sick to perform their duties; as well as the time and resources needed to care for them.

I replied in reference to your consideration. During last fall/winter/early spring (the last major covid outbreaks we had at my location), the unvaccinated few who did contract the virus reported no additional symptoms or lost time as compared to the vaccinated. My older DACs (vaccinated) had a difficult time with the symptoms. The active duty and younger DACs, both vaccinated and unvaccinated, had very similar symptoms and duration.

In fact, our quarantine/isolation guidance became the same for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated because it seemed to make no difference based on vaccination status.

Presuming you agree with mandatory vaccinations for military personnel should the mortality rate of our discussed hypothetical future weaponized virus be deemed high enough to warrant it (I'm on board with you there), would you agree with it being mandatory should the incapacitation rate be deemed high as well?

I agree with properly formulated, non-EUA compulsory vaccines for military when there is a potential readiness impact. Vaccines, such as MMR, small pox, tetanus/diphtheria, and yellow fever have a long track record and were developed over some time. However, I believe the current Covid mRNA vaccines weren't properly produced and they were basically rubber-stamped by the FDA to become approved.

That being said, yes, I do agree that the incapacitation rate (what we refer to as "readiness") should be taken into consideration when determining the value of quickly produced, EUA vaccines. But, there's a process for that which requires a presidential waiver to informed consent. Biden didn't want to risk that, so I believe he had the FDA rubber stamp the Pfizer and Moderna so he could impose it on the military. I can't prove that, of course.

40 posted on 12/08/2022 8:03:13 PM PST by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. )
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