Posted on 12/07/2022 1:53:13 PM PST by nickcarraway
“And what would her punishment have been? Execution?”
I thought Christians were big on martyrdom when facing evil.
My mistake.
L
The problem is that this *particular* girl very probably didn’t get exposed to a whole lot of Christianity from about the age of 10 to the end of the war.
“In times of war, every participant is tasked with following orders or else.”
You should read about these trials in Nuremberg. They explore the concept of just following orders as a defense. Our own military teaches this today also.
You’ll really find it enlightening.
Who next? The kid who delivered the morning newspaper?
Surely, he has blood on his hands, too.
Not a good comparison!
Wallenburg had diplomatic status & Schindler had ‘war manufacturer’ status which he had the moxie to stretch to its limit. Not diminishing their courage in any way but they weren’t little nobodies.
I don’t know this woman’s story, but she could have been someone just trying to survive the war.
It’s easy to make these snap judgements almost 80 years later in the comfort of your living room.
To some on here, that would be enough.
Maybe anyone that has Adolph as a name during that time.
Their parents should have known the future.
In Armor Officer Basic we were taught to refuse unlawful orders. I think running a death camp would qualify.
Unless I’m mistaken “Lurker” has been arguing that this girl should have laid down her life defying orders rather than following them. He mentioned Christianity. I was trying to suggest that given the circumstances (her age,the vile propaganda she was surely fed as a kid,etc) it may well be wrong to judge her as harshly as you’d judge a 45 year old Colonel...or civilian official.
You are wrong. Many women get raped by criminals or by incest. Read my post by engaging your brain. I already said I do not condone using abortion as alternate method of birth control.
Also,how many lessons on illegal orders do you think that girl got from 1933 (when she was 8) until the end of the war?
Maybe she makes her peace with Him?
My Lai was still fresh when I went to Knox
“In times of war, every participant is tasked with following orders or else.”
You’ve obviously never served in the American military. Back in the Corps they taught me that by obeying an order I knew to be illegal I could be prosecuted just as hard as the officer who gave that illegal order would be.
The UCMJ is very clear on this.
L
Now...how about the question I put to you?
All abortion does is remove the natural consequences of the bone-headed decision (conceiving with no intention of raising the baby) from the ones making the decision to the one who had no part in the decision. Thus, we've had more "accidental" pregnancies be born since 1973 because people quit learning their lesson after making the mistake. This is why over half of abortions are in women who had prior abortions. I know that we're told that abortion reduces the number of unwanted kids, but that's not the case. Abortion is a carrot dangling in front of people about to make a bad decision and says, "Don't try to hard to get it right. If you mess up you can abort.". Then when they mess up many of them change their minds and the end result is more kids being born in parents who didn't intend it than if abortion wasn't a thing.
But history shows that when people bear the natural consequences (the burden of raising kids) of their actions (conceiving), they choose to make that happen less often (assuming of course they didn't intend to have kids at that time). For example, look at how much birth rates declined during the great depression. People figured out how to quit making babies they couldn't afford to raise. Birth rates were steady in rural areas like farms (i.e. my father and half of his siblings were born during the great depression because they were mostly independent and could raise their own food and well their own water, etc.). But birth rates declined big time in suburbs and urban areas (i.e. my mother is the only one in her family born during the great depression -- she has only 1 sibling who was born after WW2 and no more siblings because by then my grandmother was too old to have kids). Basically, people who talk about the baby boom generation being born after WW2 when the men came home get only half of it right. Birth rates already declined big time during the great depression before we went to war (then declined further as most young men were overseas). Thus, the baby boom generation was making up not just for the 4 years our men were at war, but also for many years before that during the great depression.
So how did they do that? How did they keep from making babies they couldn't afford? With no birth control except condoms (I read that they were pretty rough to use back then, like rubbing your eyeball on a car tire LOL). No welfare to pay for the birth control. No "sex education". In fact, little education period. Anyone blessed to have a high school diploma then probably had the education level of someone in 8th grade today (I mean, someone who applies himself to learning).
How did they do that? Easy, the figured it out! Because THEY, would be the ones with the burden if they didn't get it right. And with few who did mess up -- their friends saw it and said, "I ain't gonna make the same mistake they did."
But all of that experience of natural consequences is removed with abortion and, to some degree, various forms of welfare.
I thought Christians were big on martyrdom when facing evil.
A non-Christian telling Christians what they’re supposed to do. I don’t tell Jews or Muslims what to die for, or expect them to die for me.
Martyrdom has to do with dying for the faith, not taking sides in a war.
Then we agree!
See Post #72
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