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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky Moves to Outlaw Orthodox Christianity
Big League Politics ^ | Dec 2, 2022 | Jordan Epperson

Posted on 12/05/2022 8:28:43 AM PST by SoConPubbie

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To: Timber Rattler

Snake will want to ban the catholic church because it is in Rome and Judaism because of Israel. He is a leftist scumbag.

Zeepers like Snake try to conveniently forget that the call between President Trump and Zelensky was the basis for the coup and Colonel Vindman, the creepy “whistle blower “was a naturalized Ukrainian national who has been offered the position of Defense Minister of Ukraine two times by the Ukraine.


61 posted on 12/05/2022 10:41:49 AM PST by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: Dr. Franklin

Yet another Zeeper noob. Zeepers are either BushBot neocons that joined around the election of 2000 or green noobs.

The Zeepers try to conveniently forget that the call between President Trump and Zelensky was the basis for the coup and Colonel Vindman, the creepy “whistle blower “was a naturalized Ukrainian national who has been offered the position of Defense Minister of Ukraine two times by the Ukraine.


62 posted on 12/05/2022 10:45:41 AM PST by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: Timber Rattler

YUP... you got it right... only Russian aligned organizations. “Zelensky announces a decree banning religious organizations and churches in Ukraine with “ties to Russia.”


63 posted on 12/05/2022 11:07:51 AM PST by WellyP (question!)
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To: Timber Rattler
Was it the Russian Orthodox Church or individuals in the Russian Orthodox Church who gave information and targeting to the FSB and GRU?   You don't think Zelenskyy's Jewishness might be showing?

An anti-espionage measure would be to go after the perpetrators.   Banning the Russian Orthodox Church is an anti-Christianity measure.

On 8 November 2019, the Russian Orthodox Church announced that Patriarch Kirill would stop commemorating the Patriarch of Alexandria and all Africa after the latter and his Church recognized the Orthodox Church of Ukraine that same day.[96][97][98]

On 27 September 2021, the ROC established a religious day of remembrance for all Eastern Orthodox Christians which were persecuted by the Soviet regime. This day is the 30 October.[99][100]

That does not seem like the Russian Orthodox Church has anything against Ukrainians.
64 posted on 12/05/2022 11:08:09 AM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: ChessExpert

As I remember it, the radical leftist liberal movement in the Methodist Church drifted in from the International Methodist Church.


65 posted on 12/05/2022 11:18:17 AM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Timber Rattler

YUP... you got it right... only Russian aligned organizations. “Zelensky announces a decree banning religious organizations and churches in Ukraine with “ties to Russia.”


66 posted on 12/05/2022 11:40:12 AM PST by WellyP (question!)
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To: WellyP

The people on this thread that believe Russian propaganda sources think that the president of Ukraine just banned the church of 80% of Ukrainians as he is trying to rally them and hold them together during a war.


67 posted on 12/05/2022 12:14:28 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: 05 Mustang GT Rocks; Ad Orientam; alex; antonius; aposiopetic; arielguard; bad company; ...
Orthodox Ping!

Save Thy people, O Lord,
and bless Thine inheritance.
Grant victory to Thy Church over her enemies,
and protect Thy people by Thy Holy Cross!

68 posted on 12/05/2022 12:18:44 PM PST by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: Timber Rattler
So it's an anti-espionage measure instead of an anti-Christianity measure.

Hogwash. If individuals in the church are committing espionage, they need to be dealt with specifically. Banning the church has nothing to do with stopping espionage. If espionage is really happening then simply banning the church would allow the individuals to continue to conduct espionage. You stop espionage by arresting the individuals concerned, not banning every organization they happen to be part of and imagining that makes them or their motivations vanish.

This move exposes once again the globalist, anti-Christian, anti-human agenda of the leftist elites in Washington and Brussels pulling the puppet strings on their slav/e Zelensky.

69 posted on 12/05/2022 12:45:26 PM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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To: EnderWiggin1970
Except that the entire Russian Orthodox Church establishment in Ukraine is a function of the FSB and/or GRU. That entire institution is a spy network, reporting to Kirill in Moscow, and ultimately Comrade Putin.

But that fact is just too inconvenient for the pro-Kremlin crowd. Or else they are just too dense to understand it.

70 posted on 12/05/2022 12:53:51 PM PST by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: lightman

A true idjit!


71 posted on 12/05/2022 1:37:44 PM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. )
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To: Timber Rattler
Do you have any idea how ludicrous you sound? First, banning the organization doesn't make the individuals vanish from existence as I already pointed out, so this has nothing to do with fighting espionage. Second, even granted the historical infiltration of the KGB etc. into churches that doesn't justify declaiming the entire organization as nothing more than a spy network. This sort of prejudice is a convenient excuse for driving the Christian church underground.

It is indefensible defending fascist puppets like Zelensky with his long track record of banning political parties and other organizations based on this sort of "throw out the baby with the bathwater" mentality. You may love the globalist vision of a collectivist society with Hollywood sewage, academic insanity and leftist ideology as the only monolothic institutions, but for anyone interested in freedom it is desperately important that Russia crush the globalist hegemony in Ukraine.

72 posted on 12/05/2022 3:21:26 PM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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To: higgmeister

“As I remember it, the radical leftist liberal movement in the Methodist Church drifted in from the International Methodist Church.”

My understanding is a little different. I think you have the players right, but not the timeline. As I understand it, the Methodist leadership has been moving left for some time. Some of this has drifted down to the local pulpit.

US membership has declined. African Methodists now outnumber American membership. African Methodists are socially conservative and not happy with where the leadership has gone. A split is now taking place. Individual American churches must decide to go with the more conservative split, or the more liberal split.

At one point there was discussion on who gets buildings and how pensions will be paid. I think that weighed heavily on the minds of the sanctimonious liberal American hierarchy.

That’s my understanding based on a few conversation fragments. I’m sure someone at FreeRepublic is more knowledgeable. I’d like to hear more.


73 posted on 12/05/2022 4:05:39 PM PST by ChessExpert (Dem mandates: slavery, segregation, Indian removal, experimental vaccines)
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To: SoConPubbie

Just days after Zelensky outlaws Ukrainian Orthodox Church, the Supreme Court of Ukraine ruled that the symbols of Galician SS division, which was part of Waffen SS, are NOT Nazi.

Let that sink in.


74 posted on 12/06/2022 10:33:10 AM PST by cranked
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