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To: NorseViking

Listen, you have just admitted that heinous things were done to the Russians in Donbas. What should have been the reaction? What the US did after 9/11?

Donbas is within the territory of the Ukraine. And the DPR did just as many, if not more, heinous thing. It’s called a civil war. And considering the fact that Russia was organizing and supporting the DPR and related separatist organizations whose purpose was to commit atrocities within Ukraine’s territory, the analogy of 9/11 is entirely reversible.

It’s called a civil war. Ukraine’s ultimate reaction to the whole mess was to throw over Poroshenko, for his corruption AND for his support of all-out war on civilians in Donbas, in favor of TV star, Russian speaker and political novice Zelensky, who ran on a platform of ending corruption and making peace in Donbas. He tried to do the latter by negotiating in good faith with Putin and his proxies in Donbas, but “good faith” is a two-way street, and Putin was basically intent on a full-blown invasion on the PRETEXT of Donbas, because his real goal is reestablishing the dead Soviet empire, and right now he’s committing heinous atrocities in Donbas against Ukrainians and Russians alike, in Donbas and elsewhere, as his horde retreats in disgrace.

It is a huge, FUBAR mess, and Putin is the PROBLEM, and a threat to the other former Soviet Republics and Satellites. Zelensky, despite his failure as a peacetime President, has turned out to be a formidable war-time leader. And good on him. Putin needs to be gone.


18 posted on 12/04/2022 10:40:51 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (Free country? Good morning, Rip. )
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To: Eleutheria5

No, Ze promised piece but he didn’t try hard to enforce it. He travelled to Donbas to try to convince his own troops to withdraw, only to be told to go pound sand. Then the Nazis on payroll of the US Embassy stated riots and defaced his office. He has become a worse version of Poroshenko ever since.

Regarding Putin as a problem, gaslighting, secret police, pollsters and so on you have all the right ideas, except backwards.

The problem of the US foreign policy is that it is all about gaslighting, and they’ll they say that the victim is the problem.

And of course, after every high placed US official stated that he is going to tear apart a Russian economy and kill as many Russians as possible, Washington based think tanks published plans to “de-imperialize” Russia, the people are going to secretly love America and hate Putin.

Just LOL. What sort of sick logic is it? Like if every freedom loving American supported Nazi Germany in WWII. FDR after all was a socialist and Hitler had trains running on time.


20 posted on 12/04/2022 11:45:43 PM PST by NorseViking
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