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Russia rejects $60-a-barrel cap on its oil, warns of cutoffs
AP via Yahoo ^ | December 3rd 2022 | JAMEY KEATEN

Posted on 12/03/2022 10:41:52 AM PST by Mariner

YIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russian authorities rejected a price cap on the country's oil set by Ukraine’s Western supporters and threatened Saturday to stop supplying the nations that endorsed it.

Australia, Britain, Canada, Japan, the United States and the 27-nation European Union agreed Friday to cap what they would pay for Russian oil at $60-per-barrel. The limit is set to take effect Monday, along with an EU embargo on Russian oil shipped by sea.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Russia needed to analyze the situation before deciding on a specific response but that it would not accept the price ceiling. Russia's permanent representative to international organizations in Vienna, Mikhail Ulyanov, warned that the cap's European backers would come to rue their decision.

“From this year, Europe will live without Russian oil," Ulyanov tweeted. "Moscow has already made it clear that it will not supply oil to those countries that support anti-market price caps. Wait, very soon the EU will accuse Russia of using oil as a weapon.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: freezingeurope; globalistreality; iceagewinter; opec; opecplus; russia; weaponizedoil
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To: Western Patriot

So the west can tell all countries to not sell maritime insurance?


61 posted on 12/03/2022 3:01:57 PM PST by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Czech_Occidentalist

“Do you really believe that if the whole world turns to c*ap, the US will somehow be isolated from the consequences?”

Yes, from the serious consequences the US will be isolated.

NOBODY would attack us militarily.

And everyone would be eager to trade with us, to the extent we needed any trade at all.

But Europe would be screwed. Plundered and screwed.


62 posted on 12/03/2022 3:03:07 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
Europe will be the big losers in this idiotic scheme.

The Russians will continue to sell their oil to India and China, who will sell it back to Europe at a much higher price.

63 posted on 12/03/2022 3:14:13 PM PST by Kazan
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To: PGR88

Exactly Arrogance. Now they’re saying they are going to find a legal way to keep the frozen assets of Russian oligarchs to pay to rebuild Ukraine.


64 posted on 12/03/2022 4:42:50 PM PST by Rusty0604 (" When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." -Ronald Reagan)
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To: jimwatx

Excellent observations. Once the USSR ended and Russia emerged as a non-communist state, brought back the Russian Orthodox Church etc, the far left in the US and elsewhere has felt the need to weaken that nation into submission.


65 posted on 12/03/2022 5:08:13 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Czech_Occidentalist

Any insurance company that wants to do any type of business in China, Russia, and India. There are thousand of tankers out there that can be chartered by anyone.


66 posted on 12/03/2022 5:10:46 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Its All Over Except ...

Of course it cannot. Excellent observation.


67 posted on 12/03/2022 5:11:41 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Mariner

This back and forth gets crazier every day. What in the world are those who don’t have the oil thinking that they are in any kind of position to set caps on this essential product. If this isn’t the essence of crazy, I don’t know what it is.


68 posted on 12/03/2022 5:17:45 PM PST by iontheball
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To: Maine Mariner

Thanks. It was a rhetorical question as you observed.


69 posted on 12/03/2022 5:25:26 PM PST by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Its All Over Except ...

Well some posters here think if Lloyds of London does not sell marine insurance to tankers carrying Russian oil, the tankers will stay tied to the docks. Simply not true-Russia will self insure.

Also, another thread mentioned Russia could move oil tankers through the Northeast Passage. It has the world’s larges fleet of nuclear powered icebreakers.


70 posted on 12/03/2022 5:36:07 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Mariner

How stupid can the west be? Seriously? Price controls of sorts...yep don’t sell it if you can’t make the money you want/need. Save it for later or sell it elsewhere.


71 posted on 12/03/2022 7:36:16 PM PST by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: Czech_Occidentalist

It dawned on me to pursue this a little deeper. Ultimately, if a shipping company wants to stay in business (and any significant oil shipping company is highly unlikely to be a fly-by-night operation), the people who build and repair tankers have to be able to (and want to) work with the insurers. And guess where supertankers are built? (Hint to fans of the anti-West: It’s not in the anti-West.)

Moreover, who owns most tankers? ALL TEN of the top tanker operators are HQ’d in Western or Western friendly countries.

Yes, Russia, China, and their friends, own tankers too, but, they are already maxed out.

And of course this doesn’t even get into the possibility that a newly-Russian-insured tanker will fall subject to a mysterious cigarette (probably delivered by MI6) while sailing over a deep trench... One or two such examples and nobody but the Russians will be buying Russian or Russian linked insurance.

The point of all this, I believe, is not to greatly reduce Russian deliveries, it is to reduce Russia’s profits, thereby setting the oil oligarchs in Russia against Putin. At the same time it relieves pressure on global oil prices (which actually helps poor importers even more than the Euro’s.)


72 posted on 12/03/2022 10:18:24 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: for-q-clinton

Unless you have monstrous storage capacity (much greater than the US Strategic Reserve), you can’t “save it for later” for long at all. Shutting down production and pipelines (esp. in cold climates) to terminals is even more problematic.

Moreover, almost half of Russia’s gov’t is funded by oil and gas profits. Most of the rest of the profit goes to keeping the oligarchs happy.


73 posted on 12/03/2022 10:27:19 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: Paul R.
Unless you have monstrous storage capacity (much greater than the US Strategic Reserve), you can’t “save it for later” for long at all. Shutting down production and pipelines (esp. in cold climates) to terminals is even more problematic.

Same pressure build up with Russia's gas production. It must flow to Europe. But since it isn't...... Russians have been flaring off at least 10 million dollars worth each day at the Nord Stream terminus. In the St Petersburg region. And the gas flare can be seen at night from Finland.

74 posted on 12/03/2022 10:34:36 PM PST by dennisw ("You don't have to like it. You just have to do it")
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To: Mariner
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Russia needed to analyze the situation before deciding on a specific response but that it would not accept the price ceiling

HUH? This has been coming for months. No way Russia has not already analyzed the situation.

75 posted on 12/03/2022 10:35:42 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: dennisw

I’ll bet that shows up nicely from space at night, although when I just now looked I only found (near) real time daylight imagery.


76 posted on 12/03/2022 10:44:34 PM PST by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: Paul R.

Good point. But they can sell to china and other nations for $5 more than the West is willing to pay.


77 posted on 12/04/2022 10:41:40 AM PST by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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