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To: SaxxonWoods

I still haven’t figured out the rationale for US neocon/deep-state proxy war against Russia.

Did they feel they could just grab Ukraine via coup and cash - and replace Russian oligarch corruption for their own oligarch corruption?

Did they imagine they could just roll-over Russian interests, right on Russia’s border, without any consequences at all?

Did they calculate how the BRICS would react?

Did not have any clue how it would effect oil/gas/coal/uranium/copper/wheat/nickel markets and the lives of US/EU citizens? Or did they simply not care?

At best - its sheer stupidity and arrogance. At worst its purposeful, satanic, globohomo, corrupt empire building


8 posted on 11/25/2022 12:06:08 PM PST by PGR88
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To: PGR88
--- "I still haven't figured out the rationale for US neocon/deep-state proxy war against Russia. Did they feel they could just grab Ukraine via coup and cash - and replace Russian oligarch corruption for their own oligarch corruption?"

A perceptive question, which answers itself once one reconnects with the involvement of the princelings and pals of Biden, Pelosi, Kerry, Romney and others who were profiting wildly in a county which "boasted" an average yearly income for a mere citizen of less than $2,500.00. Yet Biden Junior's monthly was $30,000? And VP Biden forced a sitting Ukrainian government to cancel corruption investigations? Your questions are already answered.

Our neocons and our oligarchs wanted a bigger piece of the action. And they still think this will work out, when they collapse Russia. As with every revolution and every rebellion, mere little people always get in their way...

11 posted on 11/25/2022 12:23:35 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow Government)
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To: PGR88

“I still haven’t figured out the rationale for US neocon/deep-state proxy war against Russia.”
I’ll help you here.

“Did they feel they could just grab Ukraine via coup and cash - and replace Russian oligarch corruption for their own oligarch corruption?”
They saw that as a minor benefit. There are plenty of ways to move money to The Big Guy, Ukraine was likely the biggest, but still a minor factor in the Neocon/Globalist support of that government.

“Did they imagine they could just roll-over Russian interests, right on Russia’s border, without any consequences at all?”
Yes. They figured that Russia held back on NATO Expansion, the Illegal NATO bombing of Serbia, and various other situations - so they figured Russia wouldn’t care regarding Ukraine, DESPITE every leader in Russia since the 1980s making it a clear red line. The goal was to have nuclear missiles seconds away from Russia’s major cities, and to tie up Russia’s military on the Ukraine border, much as we used China to tie up the Soviet military on their huge border.

“Did they calculate how the BRICS would react?”
They figured that the rest of the world would side with the winner. On this one, they got it right, the BRICS are pretty much all-in with who they see as the winner, Russia.

“Did not have any clue how it would effect oil/gas/coal/uranium/copper/wheat/nickel markets and the lives of US/EU citizens? Or did they simply not care?”
They figured that Russia would quickly be brought to its knees with their ‘sanctions’. The problem they had was that their extreme HATRED towards Russia blinded them to the risks of trying to isolate them...the biggest risk being that Russia was far from being a Third World country with oil and nukes. So, with the war dragging out, despite NATO throwing everything they got into it, the Neocons simply didn’t have a plan for it...so they just hope the whole thing just ‘goes away’. I doubt they’ve considered that if Russia considers us their enemy, they may be less likely to sell us the raw materials we need to have a first-rate military.

“At best - its sheer stupidity and arrogance. At worst its purposeful, satanic, globohomo, corrupt empire building.”
Arrogance is probably the best. But there is another side to this: The Globalist Agenda. We here at FR were always teasing the Globalists saying how are they going to save the world from Global Warming if Russia and China won’t play ball? Well, know we know, they had a plan:
1 - Bring down the Russian government, and replace it with a government that is a puppet to the West, breaking up Russia into 7 or 8 ‘manageable states’ in the process.
2 - With Russia now under Globalist control, the Globalists would no longer have to worry about Russia still selling their fossil fuels around the the world. The Globalist can simply put an end to that.
3 - Doing the above will then bring China and later India to their knees and force them to answer to the Globalists.
4 - Game over, the Globalists will be running the world - no other country will ever be strong enough to stand up to them. And that point, they can also push through their globohomo agenda, something they know won’t be easy on countries that still respect family values.


27 posted on 11/25/2022 3:50:12 PM PST by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Estonia: 25 degrees)
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