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US gets a nasty surprise in Ukraine
Asia Times ^ | M.K. BHADRAKUMAR

Posted on 10/27/2022 8:43:20 AM PDT by FarCenter

Something has got to change in Ukraine, for sure. The plea by 30 left-wing US lawmakers from President Joe Biden’s Democratic Party on Monday seeking a negotiated settlement with Russia to end the Ukraine war was an extraordinary event.

In the US Congress, they form part of a nearly 100-member block called the Congressional Progressive Caucus, chaired by Pramila Jayapal, a representative from Washington state. They are a motley crowd of democratic socialists and self-styled “progressive capitalists,” but what the party bosses cannot ignore is that they stand in the way of the Trumpist juggernaut, and their potential to defeat Trumpism may be crucial in 2024.

Therefore, the Biden administration’s low-key initial response to their plea on Ukraine cannot be taken as the last word. In the past few days at least, there has been no tirade against them in the US commentariat.

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Several extraneous factors are also at work. For a start, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s planned visit to China comes so soon after the unveiling of the US National Security Strategy in Washington, which visualized China as the enemy. Europeans are dissenting.

French President Emmanuel Macron called on the US to take the lead to engage with the Kremlin, echoing what Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has been demanding. There is discontent in Europe, hit hard by the economic crisis, that the American oil companies are “war profiteering.”

Lurking below the radar is the hidden truth that Ukraine is a basket case with a non-functioning economy. The US cannot expect its European allies to keep that economy afloat.

Meanwhile, a massive military Russian buildup signals plans to launch a major offensive in a few weeks from now, aiming to end the war on Moscow’s terms.

However, dovetailing with all this is an unthinkable development casting shadows on the US-UK tandem navigating the Ukraine war, which may turn out to be the ultimate clincher.

What emerges is that UK Defense Minister Ben Wallace’s secretive visit last week to Washington was more in response to a summons from the White House than a British initiative. Wallace said in a dark tone as he was leaving that there were things to be discussed that were far too sensitive to reveal.

At any rate, after the flurry of phone calls on October 22 by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu with his French, British and US counterparts regarding the possibility of Ukraine using a “dirty bomb” in the war, the foreign ministers of France, the US and the UK promptly issued a joint statement rejecting “Russia’s transparently false allegations” and called it “a pretext for escalation.”

Nonetheless, acting on the Russian allegation, the International Atomic Energy Agency has been told to undertake an investigation. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken met with Rafael Grossi, the agency’s director general, on Monday and “welcomed the IAEA’s readiness to visit Ukraine.”

Blinken also spoke with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg on Monday and, strangely enough, “called for continued Western unity and support for Ukraine.” But, interestingly, the State Department quietly removed from its website the US-UK-France joint statement.

This was when Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov disclosed on Monday: “Detailed information indicating the institutions that may be commissioned for this purpose was conveyed through the defense minister [Shoigu] during his contacts with his counterparts in the United States, Britain, France and Turkey. More contacts are planned between our defense ministries.”

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It is no secret that Britain’s Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) and Special Air Service (SAS) are in the driver’s seat in the Ukrainian military command in Kiev and on the front lines. The paradigm is something like the tail wagging the dog. MI6 calibrates the dynamics of the war while the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Pentagon claim success for Biden’s Russia strategy.


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1 posted on 10/27/2022 8:43:20 AM PDT by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter

Those 30 libs officially took it back the next day.

That’s a lot of horse heads...


2 posted on 10/27/2022 8:47:49 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: FarCenter

Shoigu also had this conversation with his counterparts in Turkey, India and China

Unlike the West, none of them have responded by calling it Russian BS


3 posted on 10/27/2022 8:48:52 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: FarCenter

“Wallace said in a dark tone as he was leaving that there were things to be discussed that were far too sensitive to reveal.”

Can’t have citizens knowing what the putsch government is doing on their behalf. Secrecy in the 1950s was the new airplane, the movements of units, the capability of weapons.
Today secrecy is solely designed to keep the citizens of America 100% OUT of the decision making process.


4 posted on 10/27/2022 8:55:26 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: silverleaf
Unlike the West, none of them have responded by calling it Russian BS

The silver-tongued liars in the West, and their Lying Media Machine.

5 posted on 10/27/2022 8:57:09 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: EEGator

Poor horses!


6 posted on 10/27/2022 9:05:23 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

They just wanted to eat carrots and apples...


7 posted on 10/27/2022 9:06:43 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: FarCenter

Arrogant neocons live in a bubble and imagined they controlled the world.

Their stupid war with Russia will result in WWI-like economic destruction in Europe, and dissent with our allies there

Meanwhile, China will sit back, laugh, and be free to do what it wants.


8 posted on 10/27/2022 9:09:36 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: FarCenter

I was just reading about the new drones the Russians are using. They’re Iranian drones that the Russians have modified to work with their Glonass GPS system.

They are cheap, commercially available for about $15k, and can carry about 50 lbs of explosive. They have a range of hundreds of miles and can fly faster than most others. With the Glonass GPS, they are as accurate as our HIMARS. The Russians are supposed to have bought 2400 and are building more. These can take out every electrical substation in a city within minutes, or converge in flight to hammer one target repeatedly.

We can throw every sophisticated anti-air system we want to into this fight, firing million dollar missiles, but when the enemy can launch a dozen or more drones at your position, over and over again, you’re in trouble.

Now, the Russians dare us to touch their system. They know that our space assets are sitting ducks. Yes, we can blow up their satellites too, but can you imagine the impact on our world if GPS stops?


9 posted on 10/27/2022 9:18:07 AM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: PGR88

I agree with the first two sentences, but not the third.

Why has China not divulged their GDP numbers for three straight quarters?
I think the Bank of China, and Chinese government in general, are in deep crap.


10 posted on 10/27/2022 9:20:14 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: kiryandil

I have been following this Ukrainian Telegram Channel (with an inside source inside the OP) for 5 months now. Their information has been accurate the entire time about all the machinations of the Zelensky regime.

The following posts have been posted over the last 6 weeks.

https://t.me/s/rezident_ua/

Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Inside
Our source in the OP said that the Office of the President is ready to create a dirty nuclear bomb to contain Russia. A headquarters has already been set up on Bankova with nuclear scientists and the military, who are urgently preparing a group for the development of nuclear weapons.

Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Inside
Our source in the OP said that the Office of the President continues to negotiate with the UK on the transfer of nuclear weapons to Ukraine. During the Johnson premiership, agreements were reached that Ukraine would receive several charges to deter Russia if the Kremlin threatened to use nuclear weapons. With the coming to power of Truss, the process of negotiations stalled and we are forced to look for ways to create a dirty nuclear bomb ourselves.

Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider
Our source in the OP said that the Office of the President is pushing for long-range missiles, including ATACMS , for the sole purpose of having the tools to deliver the dirty atomic bomb that our nuclear physicists are working on. Bankovaya believes that the best argument against the Kremlin is its own nuclear missiles.

Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#InsideOur
source in the OP said that after Zelensky’s statement about a preventive nuclear strike on Russia, Britain curtailed the negotiation process on the transfer of an atomic bomb to us. MI6 oversaw this track, but due to pressure from the State Department, the discussion process itself was stopped, and London refused to be a party to the conflict, even if the transfer would take place informally.

Resident
The United States is trying with all its might to “influence” the Office of the President, which has recently begun to show many independent decisions and carried out a number of controversial operations even for the West, which led to an escalation of hostilities. This also applies to the unprecedented statement about the accelerated entry of Ukraine into NATO, and the high-profile murder of Dugina, and the attack on the Crimean bridge.

The Western media promptly hurried to “dissociate” the influence of Washington and the EU on these incidents, but Bankova had to quickly change her position, which was especially noticeable from the statements about the explosion on the Crimean bridge.

Moreover, Western curators directly warn the Office of the President that if the trend of “arbitrariness” continues, then assistance from partners will “decrease” even more.

Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#InsideOur
source in the OP said that the US Embassy in Ukraine demanded that Zelensky stop his rash actions in Russia. Brigitte Brink conveyed to Yermak claims from the State Department regarding the explosions on the Crimean bridge and the murder of Dugina, all the initiative of the Office of the President greatly irritates the White House and takes the conflict with Russia to a new level, which is difficult to predict.

Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Inside
Our source in the OP said that the United States demanded that the Office of the President stop the track with the withdrawal from the Budapest Memorandum. The Biden administration was dissatisfied with the independence of the GUR with the murder of Dugina and the explosion of the Crimean bridge, which is why they demanded that Yermak stop any uncoordinated operations. Information escalation of the situation with a dirty atomic bomb is dangerous for Ukraine and can become a catalyst for a new escalation in which the West does not want to take part.

https://t.me/resident_ua/14556
Telegram
Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Inside
Our source in the OP said that the Office of the President continues to work on the return of Ukraine’s nuclear status. Bankovaya believes that Russia’s aggression can be deterred in two ways: join NATO or possess nuclear weapons.


11 posted on 10/27/2022 9:21:12 AM PDT by Cathi
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To: FarCenter

“The plea by 30 left-wing US lawmakers from President Joe Biden’s Democratic Party on Monday seeking a negotiated settlement with Russia to end the Ukraine war was an extraordinary event.”

LOL. American lefties pleading for us to go soft on commies is nothing new.


12 posted on 10/27/2022 9:21:19 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: FarCenter

What was the surprise? I did not see anything in the excerpt.


13 posted on 10/27/2022 9:21:45 AM PDT by Ingtar
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To: PGR88
While Europe and the US commit economic suicide for various reasons which have nothing to do with the well-being of the Ukrainian people... Russia is laughing all the way to the bank.

Despite less production they are making over $320 Billion on energy products this year... a huge increase in revenues compared to last year's total of $235 Billion. The “sanctions” have accomplished as much as the Biden administration's “green energy” plans... less than ZERO. Unless you are a Biden crony then every aspect of the mess we have helped created in Ukraine has been hugely profitable. And that is the real reason behind all of this.

All of you NeoCon deep thinkers are going to have to face reality some day in the not-too-distant future. You have been played!

Pie In Face GIFs | Tenor

14 posted on 10/27/2022 9:23:51 AM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

“We can throw every sophisticated anti-air system we want to into this fight, firing million dollar missiles, but when the enemy can launch a dozen or more drones at your position, over and over again, you’re in trouble.”

Well, the Ukrainians are now deploying an Israeli air defense system that doesn’t use million dollar missiles, but standard small arms ammunition to take out the drones.

For every move, there is a countermove.


15 posted on 10/27/2022 9:28:12 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: FarCenter

UKRAINE is wanting billions per month. No one has it to fund this blackmail.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/foreign/ukraine-needs-9-billion-in-foreign-aid-per-month-top-zelensky-adviser-says

https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-external-financing-needs-could-reach-5-bln-month-imfs-georgieva-says-2022-10-25/

https://www.reuters.com/world/zelenskiy-says-ukraine-needs-7-bln-per-month-make-up-losses-caused-by-invasion-2022-04-21/


16 posted on 10/27/2022 9:32:00 AM PDT by GailA (Constitution vs evil Treasonous political Apparatchiks, Constitutional Conservative.)
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To: kiryandil

Gonna have egg on their faces if this op is pulled off…which from what is gleaned, seems incredibly amateurish


17 posted on 10/27/2022 9:43:43 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: Cathi

and this: https://www.theinteldrop.org/2022/10/26/the-kyiv-regime-has-prepared-a-dummy-of-the-russian-iskander-otrk-rocket-stuffed-with-nuclear-waste-to-explode-in-the-chernobyl-zone/


18 posted on 10/27/2022 9:45:42 AM PDT by elpadre (W )
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To: Ingtar

What was the surprise? I did not see anything in the excerpt.

Like most propaganda, that was the surprise.


19 posted on 10/27/2022 10:13:49 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: FarCenter; lightman

Pray for Peace!!!!


20 posted on 10/27/2022 10:33:27 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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