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14 posted on 10/22/2022 10:45:17 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

There’s a good reason why Russia watches what we do rather than what we say....and vice-versa.


16 posted on 10/22/2022 10:48:02 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: Travis McGee
"Not an inch of NATO's present military jurisdiction will spread in an eastern direction." James Baker

Moron is deliberately lying withholding context. Baker's comment was in regard to only East Germany, in negotiations on the re-unification of Germany which resulted in the 'Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany'.

Gorbachev, the President of the Soviet Union at the time said there was no promise not to enlarge NATO eastward past Germany. Former Soviet Foreign Minister, Eduard Shevardnadze also agreed, there was no limit on NATO enlargement.

No expansion of NATO eastward only covered East Germany. That's why there is a treaty-Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany, which states NATO troops would not be stationed in former East Germany.

Gorbachev, the head of the Soviet Union confirmed this in later interviews, that there was no promise, since NATO expansion past Germany was never brought up in discussions.

The topic of “NATO expansion” was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a singe Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring it up, either. Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces from the alliance would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement, mentioned in your question, was made in that context. Kohl and [German Vice Chancellor Hans-Dietrich] Genscher talked about it.

Mikhail Gorbachev: "I am against all walls" Oct 16 2014

https://www.rbth.com/international/2014/10/16/mikhail_gorbachev_i_am_against_all_walls_40673.html

Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Final_Settlement_with_Respect_to_Germany

30 posted on 10/22/2022 11:03:55 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: Travis McGee

Irrelevant horseshit, again Travis. For the eleven millionth time, you utter dumbass,

1. Baker’s UNOFFICIAL and UNSANCTIONED pledge to Gorbachev never made the final draft agreement. Gorbachev never requested it. He overstepped his remit.

2. The pledge was predicated on the Soviet Union remaining otherwise intact after German unification, with East Germany’s eastern border becoming the border between Germany and the USSR.

3. Get yourself out of retard land. Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia stopped being in the SOVIET territory when Russia formally, and internationally, announced that the Soviet Union had been disbanded.

4. Make your bloody mind up. Either Putin has a hard-on for restoring the USSR borders which by implication means he wants all those countries that joined NATO after 1999 put back into the Soviet side of a new Iron Curtain, or Russia is not the Soviet Union and the pig-headed vatnik retard can pound sand.


50 posted on 10/22/2022 1:55:55 PM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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