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To: Rockingham

Unfortunately they did not make any advances without enormous amounts of funding from other countries and great loans from the IMF etc. Not to mention how much of that went into the pockts of their politicians and oligarchs. Which is “the familiar pattern” for Ukraine. It’s not surprising that everything in Ukraine still runs on bribes and theft....and perfectly acceptable as the way things work in Ukraine for most there.

As for their military it’s “foreign” built - they have not done that on their own. You make it sound like Ukraine is nothing more than an extension of the US. - which actually isn’t too far from the truth. And that I would never sign up to support. It’s not our responsibility to build nations.


56 posted on 10/18/2022 12:20:15 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: caww
It may look like Ukraine is being indiscriminately showered with cash, but those international grants and loans come with conditions attached that aim at curbing bribery, improving governance, and so on. Over time, those have an effect. Over the last decade, Ukraine's rating in Transparency International's Corruption Perception Index showed slow but measurable improvement.

As for weapons, although Ukraine now looks to the US and NATO for weapons, they like to adapt them to local practices and conditions. During the Soviet era, Ukraine developed a significant technical and industrial base. Indeed, until the current conflict with Russia, Ukraine supplied a lot of essential components to Russia's arms industry.

As for nation building, Ukraine is already a nation in the European model and looks to European neighbors for examples of what they want to become. Ukraine is not Afghanistan.

57 posted on 10/18/2022 1:49:19 PM PDT by Rockingham
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