Posted on 10/13/2022 6:09:49 PM PDT by lodi90
Russia has acknowledged the deaths of several of its conscripts in Ukraine. Russian media reports that these soldiers have been sent to the front without training.
Source: BBC News Russian, citing relatives and close friends of the dead soldiers
Details: BBC journalists identified three out of five soldiers [whose deaths were reported by the Chelyabinsk Oblast military commissariat on Thursday, 13 October]: Anton Borisov, Igor Yevseev and Timur Akhmetshin.
They were conscripted by the Korkino military commissariat [in Chelyabinsk Oblast, Russia] between 26 and 29 September. A total of almost 1,000 people were conscripted around that time, the relatives of the deceased said.
On 3 October, the men found themselves near Luhansk. From there, they were transferred to Kherson Oblast. By 9 October, their relatives received the first death notifications.
An acquaintance of one of the soldiers shared a recording of their phone call in which one conscript from Chelyabinsk Oblast, currently hospitalised in Sevastopol (Crimea), explains the circumstances of the death of the five men to another recently conscripted soldier who is preparing to depart for the front.
(Excerpt) Read more at pravda.com.ua ...
That is the correct post.
I didn’t, it was a continuation of your argument on my side.
The bodybags of untrained mobilized Russian men are starting to come home from Ukraine — including to big cities like Moscow. Even the Z propagandists are getting upset. Here is the 28yo former head of dept in Moscow city gov’t, drafted Sept 23, killed Oct 10. pic.twitter.com/erRQrZa0qJ— Yaroslav Trofimov (@yarotrof) October 13, 2022
The Russians have a very pressing need. They are at a numeric disadvantage vs the Ukrainians and can at best hold two of the three main fronts.
Trained troops would be good, but until then Russia has to fling whatever bodies it can in hopes to slow the Ukrainian advance and buy some time to regroup.
Yep, all fed to the Ghost of Kiev, completely untrained, except I haven’t seen an instance of anyone who is notba prior service reserve sent so far. I’ve seen a guy the military fought to expel on medical grounds for years and now summoned back, just to send back home, but these stories of cannon fodder are nothing but a distraction for the Ukrainian public which went through 7 waves of mobilization.
Russia recovered very slowly from those losses.
The Russian population took 14 years to reach the same level it was before WWII.
It peaked in 1991 and has been falling since (very slight gains in 2013-2015).
The population in 2021 is about the same as in 1987.
In 2021 Russian population 145 million, US population 331 million.
Last year Russia lost one million people (mostly due to covid-19). They will lose another million people this year (due to young Russians fleeing the country). So let's see. 110 million people by 2050? Maybe 2040?
“It peaked in 1991 and has been falling since (very slight gains in 2013-2015).”
Good post. Demographics really are destiny and folk don’t realize just how far Russia has fallen.
In 1989 the USSR was the third most populous nation on earth, just ahead of the United States. Russia today is 9th. Behind Bangladesh and just ahead of Mexico.
Hmmm.
Mediazona, working with BBC News Russian service and a team of volunteers has Russian casualties corroborated by publicly available data as of October 7 at 7184 which as of September 25 was 6756.................
https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng
Yeah, that looks like “cannon fodder” as compared to the list provided indicating actual numbers of “cannon fodder” being in the hundreds of thousands as Russian to Ukraine kill ratios are 5:1 to 10:1 and higher.
“Ukraine war veterans on how Kiev plundered US aid, wasted soldiers, endangered civilians, and lost the war”
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/18/ukraine-veterans-us-aid-soldiers-war/
“A Ukrainian’s Letter from the Front
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94RYVNg9bfA
‘Ukrainian General estimates Kiev’s losses at hundreds of thousands since Feb’
https://tass.com/politics/1501881
‘Wounded Ukrainian soldiers reveal steep toll of Kherson offensive’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/07/ukraine-kherson-offensive-casualties-ammunition/
‘In Ukraine’s South, Fierce Fighting and Deadly Costs’
https://archive.ph/MtHyd#selection-383.0-383.52
“Kharkov Offensive: “You Can Always Regain Territory—You Cannot Regain Human Lives.” - Jacques Baud”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6GFaOQOpEs
“The Limits of Ukraine’s Offensive and the High Price to Pay When it Ends”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pONjlORXdFQ
I have not seen any evidence of that high of a Russian to Ukrainian kill ratio.
It is possible, but seems unlikely.
The USA routinely promoted high "kill ratios" in Vietnam, which turned out to be inaccurate.
The Ukrainians are appearing to be much closer in capabilities to the Russians than the Vietnamese were to the Americans.
I would not be surprised if the Russian to Ukraininan Kill ratio was 2 or 3:1, because the Russians are, essentially surrounded by targets, but most of those are non-combatants.
“I have not seen any evidence of that high of a Russian to Ukrainian kill ratio.”
Really?
Did you actually read the articles provided?
Did you comprehend what you read from those articles provided?
What is so sad, is Russia is rich in natural resources.
Its people are well educated.
It could be a very rich country, if the ruling class had worked to emulate the USA or even the Chinese or Japanese route instead of a pseudo Tsarism.
I read the BBC article, saying the Russian reporting on casualties was clearly wrong, and the BBC count was severely undercounted.
Much of the rest is difficult to know, because there are incentives to both undercount one's own casualties and overcount them in deceptive campaigns.
The actual Ukrainian casualties are very difficult to know.
One more time:
Did you actually read the articles? notice I am not referencing the videos, but just the articles?
Did you comprehend what you read from the articles?
Just FYI, after the Vietnam war, US authorities estimated the total numbers of North Viet Armed Forces and Viet Cong dead as somewhere in the area of 880,000 or so during the US phase of the Vietnam War. After the war, Gen. Giap admitted to about 1.1 million dead, with between 275,000 or so South Viet military casualties. He said that he wanted the world to fully appreciate the nature and sacrificial resolve of the Vietnamese people to achieve final victory.
It would appear that the US actually underestimated the numbers of enemy troops that were killed, notwithstanding the occasional body count inflation by commanders who were often pressured to do so by those higher ups obsessed with the body count metric.
My 18 months of battlefield experiences, along with many other vets that I have spoken to over the years tend to bear this out. The North Viets were simply motivated (often by the totalitarian authoritarian regime as well as nationalistic patriotism) to endure whatever level of loss that was necessary until the US tired of the slaughter on both sides.
“Ukrainian Reserves at Artyomovsk (Bakhmut)
THE RESERVES THE UKRAINIAN ARMED FORCES HAS RUSHED TO BAKHMUT TURNED OUT TO BE SO FRESH THAT THEY HAD TO BE TRAINED “ON THE FLY.” An improvised base and firing range was set up at a fishing pier near Stake 8 (in the village of Khromovo), on the south-western outskirts of Artemovsk. The level of preparedness of the enemy reinforcements leaves much to be desired.
The Ukrainian forces operating near Bakhmut today:
The 58th Separate Mechanized Brigade, named after Hetman Ivan Vygovskiy (from Konotop, in the Sumy region) was once considered to be the most combat-ready unit of the AFU. The unit has deserted almost in its entirety.
The 125th “Lvovskaya” Territorial Defence Brigade has been exsanguinated, reserves to replenish are now being trained on accelerated schedule in fortified areas outside the city.
The 26th Separate Artillery Brigade (from Berdichev), part of the 8th Ukrainian Army, is understaffed by 60%.
The 25th Separate Airborne Assault Brigade (from Novomoskovsk) was crushed near Novobakhmutovka and has been re-staffed with reservists.
The 79th Separate Airborne Assault Brigade (from Nikolaev) was crushed at Soledar, suffering up to 80% casualties, and has been re-staffed with mercenaries from Poland, Romania, Britain, and the USA.
The 81st Separate Airborne Assault Brigade (from Druzhkovka) is now the most combat-ready Ukrainian unit of all of those listed above. It was battered by Russian Armed Forces’ strikes on the settlement of Nikolayevka. It participated in fighting near Krasny Liman.”
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/14098
From one article linked in the list I provided....
“We lost five people for every one they did,” said Ihor, a 30-year-old platoon commander....”
“Wounded Ukrainian soldiers reveal steep toll of Kherson offensive”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/07/ukraine-kherson-offensive-casualties-ammunition/
I sure ain’t. These clowns are two scorpions in a bottle.
That little Uke weasel wants us to fork over $5 billion for ‘’aid’’ and “Oh by the way, nuke Russia while you’re at it’’.
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