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Germany’s New Hunger for Coal Dooms a Tiny Village
NY Times ^ | October 13, 2022 | Christopher F. Schuetze and Erika Solomon

Posted on 10/12/2022 9:37:12 PM PDT by McGruff

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To: Governor Dinwiddie

Think they waiting for them vaunted nuclear fusion energy plants to go mainstream. Dunno. But nuclear energy is the way to go and is the solution that would allow for a more economically stable transition to ‘Green’ that the idiots seek. But no, as par, they stuck on stupid.


21 posted on 10/12/2022 11:43:19 PM PDT by cranked
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To: dfwgator

Look at the DUMBASSES snickering, wonder if they are laughing now?

TRUMP TOLD THEM!


22 posted on 10/12/2022 11:58:41 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: cranked
Even autistic Asperger cover girl Greta Thunberg has come around to backing nuclear.

It is will be at least at least two or three decades before we see fusion power on a commercial scale. In the meantime they could build sodium cooled reactors or pebble bed reactors to bridge the gap.

One proposal Joe Manchin had that makes a lot of sense for energy projects is that opponents have a time limited "one bite at the apple" of two years to make their case. After which there can be no further lawsuits or appeals.

23 posted on 10/13/2022 12:01:42 AM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie
A paper company wanted to add another hydro dam on the Androscoggin River in northern NH in the 1980s.

The lawyers from the Appalachian Mountain Communists (mostly Boston, MA based) put a stop to it.

In the last 5 years or so, NIMBYS and greenies prevented a power line from being built through NH and/or Maine to bring clean hydro power from northern Quebec to New England.

If these attitudes had been around from the Victorian era to the 1960s, we would still be burning candles and riding horses.

24 posted on 10/13/2022 12:50:28 AM PDT by Mogger
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To: caww

In the his country the government would “eminent domain” you and get your property.

It’s been done for shopping malls and housing projects, energy for a freezing nation would be no problem.

You don’t own land but rent it.(taxes)


25 posted on 10/13/2022 3:04:30 AM PDT by RedMonqey
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To: McGruff

But..but...thats not GREEEN!

Shouldn’t they be putting up windmills plastered with solar panels?

Poor peaceful villagers, wabbits and squirrels...


26 posted on 10/13/2022 3:36:22 AM PDT by Adder (ALL Democrats are the enemy. NO QUARTER!!)
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To: McGruff

The Germans - like the Brits - are taking the first teeny tiny little baby steps away from the Gaia Worshiping insanity that has them on the brink of utter economic ruin. Germany by reopening a couple of coal fired power plants, delaying the shutdown of their last 3 nuclear power plants and expanding existing coal mining. The Brits are lifting the ban on fracking.

They and the rest of Europe have a long way to go but at least reason is starting to finally make some inroads.


27 posted on 10/13/2022 3:47:15 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: dfwgator

Smirking apparatchiks. Wonder how they look now.


28 posted on 10/13/2022 4:00:59 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dreams)
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To: McGruff

I am all for coal but this silly.

The shortage of gas is most likely a short term thing.

Starting up a new coal mining operation is a 5 to 10 year endeavor.

The rail spur and rail yard to take the coal from the mine to where it will be burned will take years to engineer and build.

The coal mine is a good idea but is not going to do anything to heat homes this year or next year or the year after that.


29 posted on 10/13/2022 5:01:29 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spiritI)
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To: Pontiac

The shortage of gas is most likely a short term thing.

Starting up a new coal mining operation is a 5 to 10 year endeavor.


Europe is moving on from an unreliable economic partner in Russia. President Trump has plans to create good American jobs and export energy to Europe. Sounds good to me.


30 posted on 10/13/2022 5:24:00 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

There is a two lane road that takes you from Newburyport, MA out to Plum Island. A barrier island on the sound side of where the Merrimack River empties into the Atlantic.
For years there was a sign on the left hand side about half way out that said:

NO EVACUATION POSSIBLE

This is because in the late 1970s there was the proposal to build the Seabrook Nuclear Power Plant about six miles north of there just over the border into New Hampshire. Plum Island was in the evacuation zone IF the power plant ever had a melt down. There was only one road on and off the island. Hence the sign.

For years none of the liberals wanted to buy houses out there because of that. The island was full of very small cottages. Many of which were not even winterized. It was always looked down as a blue collar island.

Now, many of those houses are worth millions.

The stupid thing is that the Seabrook Plant was originally permitted for two reactors. They only built one. Now, the first one has been up and running since the mid 1980s. They really should build the second one before the first one goes off line.


31 posted on 10/13/2022 6:19:18 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Pontiac; caww

From the pic in post 11, it appears the mine is already bordering the village. If so, the transport out of coal will not be a problem.

Otherwise, the rail line, etc., is mostly a matter of the permitting process and political will. Big projects CAN be done faster than most of us are accustomed to. Take a look at the rebuild at Lake Oroville, in CA. (Most impressive!)

“Fixing” the gas price problem (assuming Pooty and The West don’t become buddy-buddy abruptly, or Pooty caves, both of which seem unlikely) requires major infrastructure too. The shortage itself can be addressed somewhat more quickly, if the ships and terminals for LNG can be built faster than major pipelines, but that still involves lots of LNG, which is inherently pricey compared to pipeline gas or coal.

Back to my original assumption of the mine already bordering the village:

An excellent example of strip mine land reclamation is Pyramid State Park in Illinois. Most of this almost 20,000 acre park is land that was restored by the mining company to mostly prairie*, dotted by some 53 ponds and lakes up to 100 acres. The state works with local farmers to manage some cropland for wildlife to feed on. (*The “original” section of the park is more rugged, but reforested, and 30 of those ponds and lakes are on it.)

It seems to me ya’ move the village onto land that really should already be nicely reclaimed (what, the Germans are 30 or 50 years behind us hicks in the USA?) and proceed. Surely in a crisis this can be done in a year. (Again, I refer to Oroville.)


32 posted on 10/13/2022 7:08:23 AM PDT by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: Paul R.

Thanks - interesting read.


33 posted on 10/13/2022 8:09:19 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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34 posted on 10/13/2022 9:32:18 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: caww
...with the coal pit in the background.

And the windmills farther in the background.

35 posted on 10/13/2022 1:59:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Pontiac
The rail spur and rail yard to take the coal from the mine to where it will be burned will take years to engineer and build.

North America's first transcontinental railroad (known originally as the "Pacific Railroad" and later as the "Overland Route") was a 1,911-mile (3,075 km) continuous railroad line constructed between 1863 and 1869 that connected the existing eastern U.S. rail network at Council Bluffs, Iowa with the Pacific coast at the Oakland Long Wharf on San Francisco Bay.[1]

36 posted on 10/13/2022 2:06:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Yes, I had noticed that contrast as well.


37 posted on 10/13/2022 5:41:15 PM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

They have done several such movies predicting disaster due to climate change. That’s how they get the young and impressionable sucked into their cult. What was the movie? Maybe “Day After Tomorrow” that showed the entire northern part of the U.S. freezing due to climate change. Many young people took that as a documentary based on facts.


38 posted on 10/13/2022 5:46:47 PM PDT by CFW
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To: CFW

Adults set the ‘young people’ up to believe false stuff.

Unicorns, princesses, superheros, Santa Claus, vampires...


39 posted on 10/13/2022 6:26:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Sure, a lot of things could be done quickly in the 19th century before government regulation slowed everything to a crawl.

Today, preparing the Environmental Impact Statement alone will take three years.

I know we’re talking Germany here but I can only guess that they have similar regulations.

Last I read Germany’s labor rules were even more restrictive than the US, so you can expect that actual construction will be even slower.

My guess would be that this mine might send out it’s first unit train in 10 years.


40 posted on 10/14/2022 5:08:55 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spiritIq)
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