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[Peter Hitchens] A plea for civilised debate, rather than McCarthyite intolerance, on the Ukraine issue
Daily Mail ^ | September 25, 2022 | Peter Hitchens

Posted on 09/25/2022 3:58:12 PM PDT by AndyJackson

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To: AndyJackson

Again with this nonsence. JOE MCCARTHY WAS AN AMERICAN HERO!


21 posted on 09/25/2022 5:11:10 PM PDT by cowboyusa (America Cowboy up!)
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To: ought-six

Those neighbors should be able to to defend themselves.They are no longer bo.bed flat smoldering ruins that they were at the end of WW2.

Let them defend themselves.


22 posted on 09/25/2022 5:16:00 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Stop feeding the beast, and steal its food!)
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To: SoConPubbie

“So says the FR Poster who supports his position by posting and supporting Posts from Left-Wing, Pro-Ukrainian Propaganda News Outlets, all the while proclaiming how objectively he has is pointing out the propaganda failures of the same Pro-Ukrainian News Outlets.”

I post them as a parry and riposte to you guys. If you’ve read my posting history you’d see that I’ve said on many occasions that both sides employ propaganda, as that is the way the game is played. The difference between me and you and your ilk is that you won’t admit that your side, Russia, uses propaganda, or that it has employed propaganda more extensively than any country in the last 100 years.


23 posted on 09/25/2022 5:17:38 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

Many of us who are not bots for the globalists have been asking why the United States keeps invading countries around the world when it does not know what it wants to accomplish and lacks a strategy to accomplish it. Since WWII we have had exactly ONE war where we had a strategy and a goal - GWI - evict Sadam from Kuwait and then get out. Everywhere else we have expended lives and treasure for nothing.


24 posted on 09/25/2022 5:22:06 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: ought-six

You’re tag line is “ulticulturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule” and yet you support the globalists.


25 posted on 09/25/2022 5:23:59 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Fai Mao

“Those neighbors should be able to to defend themselves.They are no longer bo.bed flat smoldering ruins that they were at the end of WW2. Let them defend themselves.”

So, as an analogy, you’d be perfectly happy and content if some gangbangers, or BLM, or Antifa types attacked and broke into your home, and no one came to you aid, or provided you with assistance.
I mean, after all, you have a baseball bat, or maybe even a single-shot .22. Because if you want or expect help, you are a hypocrite.


26 posted on 09/25/2022 5:27:06 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: AndyJackson

https://billkloss.law.blog/2022/09/25/russian-straight-talk-v-the-fake-bidens-forked-tongue-big-lies-the-fake-biden-is-an-embarrassment-to-what-leadership-is-supposed-to-be-a-reflection-of-us-led-western-decadence-and/


27 posted on 09/25/2022 5:27:25 PM PDT by Varsity Flight ( "War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18. Nazarite prayer warriors. 10.5.6.5)
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To: cowboyusa
JOE MCCARTHY WAS AN AMERICAN HERO!

He was right about communism, but his methods left a lot to be desired. Demonstrating the ways of the tyrant are universal, he cancelled people the way the left cancels people, and often for a lot less cause. Not everyone who ran afoul of him was a communist or a leftist. In fact most were not. Just some were. Kinda like sqirrel hunting with a 100kiloton nuke. Well, yeah you killed some squirrels. You also took out a major metropolitan area.

28 posted on 09/25/2022 5:29:16 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: hardspunned

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These occurred well before February 2022:

A.) Bush [a problem starting neocon, as usual]: Strong Support for Ukraine in NATO

https://youtu.be/0epyHOz-Pbs

B.) John McCain Addresses Ukranian Protesters in Ukraine [also a Neocon troublemaker who addressed the rabble standing beside Democrat Chris Murphy and the Obama regime’s Nuland]

https://youtu.be/93eyhO8VTdg


29 posted on 09/25/2022 5:30:04 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: neverevergiveup

You just know that the pathetically stupid hatefully ideological left would be supporting ‘Russia’ if they were still totalitarian Communists.


The “pathetically stupid hatefully ideological left” IS supporting Russia to the tune of billions of euros in direct cash payments to Russia’s war economy these past six months. Please pay attention.


30 posted on 09/25/2022 5:30:14 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: hardspunned

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C.) Obama Openly Admits ‘Brokering Power Transition’ in Ukraine

https://youtu.be/bmUNCsT8TjU

D) Salon
3/10/22

“Ukraine’s neo-Nazi Svoboda Party and its founders, Oleh Tyahnybok and Andriy Parubiy, played leading roles in the U.S-backed coup in February 2014. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and U.S. ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt mentioned Tyahnybok as one of the leaders they were working with in their infamous leaked phone call before the coup, even as they tried to exclude him from an official position in the post-coup government.

...it was Yarosh who took to the stage in the Maidan and rejected the Feb. 21, 2014 agreement negotiated by the French, German and Polish foreign ministers, under which President Viktor Yanukovych and opposition political leaders agreed to hold new elections later that year. Instead, Yarosh and Right Sector refused to disarm and led the climactic march on Parliament that overthrew the government.

... 2014, Nuland and the State Department got their favorite, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, installed as prime minister of the post-coup government.”


31 posted on 09/25/2022 5:31:04 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: hardspunned

3/3

E.) WION
Gravitas Plus: Did NATO Push Ukraine Into War?

“...Palki Sharma tells you how western arrogance and NATO expansionism are also to blame, how their actions precipitated the crisis in Ukraine”

https://youtu.be/TzgPJeYZaOU


32 posted on 09/25/2022 5:31:41 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: rktman

So now if, like President Trump, you want to kick Russian corruption and influence out of Europe you are a “McCarthyite”? We truly live in Orwellian times. I plead guilty here on both accounts. Happily. McCarthy was right and so is President Trump.


33 posted on 09/25/2022 5:32:37 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Varsity Flight

When “we” are on the side of the EU, Klaus Schwab, Soros and that ilk, maybe we should actually be questioning - like Hitchens does - where our interests really lie. You know like - uh there is a China over the other way we need to deal with, a border down south across which is a thugocracy trafficking girls and boys, fentanyl and genuine terrorists, oh and a national debt that is exploding as high inflation, with a portending economic collapse if you believe the Austrian school of economics.


34 posted on 09/25/2022 5:33:21 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: ought-six

I would not expect the Dallas police to keep a rapid reaction force in Houston.

Houston, where I live, should take care of its own crime.

Yet, NATO is a treaty that analogously puts the DPD on Houston streets.

Let Houston deal with its own gang bangers.


35 posted on 09/25/2022 5:33:45 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Stop feeding the beast, and steal its food!)
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To: AndyJackson

“You’re tag line is “ulticulturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule” and yet you support the globalists.”

You guys are so tiresome. But, really, that is your shtick. It is straight out of the leftist playbook.

I support the globalists as much as you support pedophiles (see: Putin lapping up some kid’s chest). See how stupid your comment is? Your rush to judgment is akin to declaring that anyone who supported the US in WWII supported the socialism that was the FDR platform and agenda.

You guys ALWAYS assume facts not in evidence. That’s because you can’t support your own positions with any credible arguments.


36 posted on 09/25/2022 5:34:18 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

You are just an unthinking hypocrit who wraps himself in the flag of patriotism while fighting for whatever the eff you believe in at the expense of other people who serve, which quite apparently you did not, or you wouldn’t be so quick to get stuck in other people’s wars.


37 posted on 09/25/2022 5:38:45 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Fai Mao

Nice try. Not surprisingly, you ignored my analogy. My analogy specifically said you could NOT rely on or accept help from any outside source; that you would be on your own; which is what you alluded to in your original post vis-a-vis the former “bombed out” countries that would have to face aggression on their own.

So, don’t bring the Houston PD into the equation. Per your original premise, you are on your own.


38 posted on 09/25/2022 5:39:31 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: AndyJackson

“You are just an unthinking hypocrit who wraps himself in the flag of patriotism while fighting for whatever the eff you believe in at the expense of other people who serve, which quite apparently you did not, or you wouldn’t be so quick to get stuck in other people’s wars.”

Hey, son; I served in the USAF, probably before you were even born. I was in the USAFSS (that was Air Force Intelligence back in the day). There was a little unpleasantness called Vietnam.

So STFU.


39 posted on 09/25/2022 5:43:24 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

I had no idea you even existed until you stared calling names. What is sad is that you worked for AF intelligence and still are utterly ignorant of geo stratgy and geopolitics.


40 posted on 09/25/2022 5:47:13 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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