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[Peter Hitchens] A plea for civilised debate, rather than McCarthyite intolerance, on the Ukraine issue
Daily Mail ^ | September 25, 2022 | Peter Hitchens

Posted on 09/25/2022 3:58:12 PM PDT by AndyJackson

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We should be demanding answers to the same questions especially as our economy burns, inflation spikes and the Chinese threat to Taiwan becomes immanent.
1 posted on 09/25/2022 3:58:12 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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You just know that the pathetically stupid hatefully ideological left would be supporting ‘Russia’ if they were still totalitarian Communists. The left is the new evil empire that Reagan warned us about.


2 posted on 09/25/2022 4:00:17 PM PDT by neverevergiveup
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If he wasn’t a Putin Puppet, maybe we could debate Russia’s withdraw timetable.

(basically the Neocon position)


3 posted on 09/25/2022 4:01:02 PM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Latvia: 43 degrees)
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To: AndyJackson

Neville Chamberlain logic.


4 posted on 09/25/2022 4:06:30 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: AndyJackson

McCarthyite intolerance? Yeah, I have an intolerance for commies. Is that a bad thing hitchins? Wanker!


5 posted on 09/25/2022 4:10:56 PM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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Aren’t we supposed to live in a free democracy in which both sides of a question can be discussed


"Just be quiet, Peter. You obviously don't know what democracy means...now."

6 posted on 09/25/2022 4:15:07 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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Since 2000 I’ve been looking for the answer as to why the US is still in NATO?


7 posted on 09/25/2022 4:16:08 PM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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“Since 2000 I’ve been looking for the answer as to why the US is still in NATO?”

Since the 2000s I’ve been looking for the answer as to why Russia keeps threatening and invading its neighbors.


8 posted on 09/25/2022 4:23:14 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: hardspunned

Politicians like to waste American tax payer’s money.


9 posted on 09/25/2022 4:32:05 PM PDT by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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One reason they took action in Donbas was due to the Obama/Soros gang taking Ukraine over in 2012. I know what you think of Putin. What do think about your big guy’s (Obama) actions in destroying any hope of peace in the country. You know, your same American good guys and their corrupt Ukrainian stooges who impeached Trump for turning over the rock they were conducting their business under? Other than that, what neighbors? You are obviously peddling your other American good guy, Hillary, and all her Russia, Russia, Russia BS lies. Bud, you’re in great company Hillary, Biden, Soros and Obama. I despise them all and that butcher, Putin. Why you think it’s a good idea to hang with that warmongering crowd, who knows? Again, we shouldn’t be within 5000 miles of that hole. Let me guess, for a little while you used to be MAGA.


10 posted on 09/25/2022 4:36:46 PM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: ought-six

You pro globhomo swarmbots are so predictable.


11 posted on 09/25/2022 4:36:58 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: All

We would be a lot better off if we listened to George Washington’s farewell address.


12 posted on 09/25/2022 4:50:31 PM PDT by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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Ah SOS from the commie/ lefties, they love to defame a great American hero who fought communism with every bone in his body.


13 posted on 09/25/2022 4:56:52 PM PDT by kenmcg (t)
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Who are you referring to, someone discussed in the article?


14 posted on 09/25/2022 4:59:06 PM PDT by Stingray51 ( )
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> McCarthyite intolerance? <

McCarthy himself got somewhat of a bad rap, and he was more right than wrong.

But McCarthy is going to have to take one for the team here. It’s stings a liberal when he’s accused of trying to blacklist people just the way McCarthy did back in the 1950s. It’s a very effective argument. So we need to press forward with it. Like I said, Joe’s gonna have to take one for the team here.


15 posted on 09/25/2022 4:59:34 PM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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a great American hero who fought communism with every bone in his body

Which American hero is that?

16 posted on 09/25/2022 5:00:00 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: ought-six; hardspunned
Since the 2000s I’ve been looking for the answer as to why Russia keeps threatening and invading its neighbors.

So says the FR Poster who supports his position by posting and supporting Posts from Left-Wing, Pro-Ukrainian Propaganda News Outlets, all the while proclaiming how objectively he has is pointing out the propaganda failures of the same Pro-Ukrainian News Outlets.
17 posted on 09/25/2022 5:02:48 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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“What do think about your big guy’s (Obama) actions in destroying any hope of peace in the country.”

First off, you are assuming facts not in evidence, which is generally fatal to your argument ab initio. To wit: I have detested Obama since the early 2000s in Illinois. I saw him as a fraud and a grifter then and my opinion hasn’t changed.

“You know, your same American good guys and their corrupt Ukrainian stooges who impeached Trump for turning over the rock they were conducting their business under?”

Again, you are assuming facts not in evidence. I am unaware that Ukrainians impeached Trump. Which Ukrainians in the US House of Representatives voted to impeach Trump?

“Other than that, what neighbors?”

Uh, that would be Chechnya (twice) in the 1990s; Georgia in 2008; Ukraine in 2014 and again in 2022.

“You are obviously peddling your other American good guy, Hillary, and all her Russia, Russia, Russia BS lies.”

Again, you are assuming facts not in evidence. Clearly, you just make shit up. You’ve lost the argument the second you do that.

“I despise them all and that butcher, Putin.”

Have you condemned Putin for his actions? I haven’t seen any posts of yours where you did.

“Why you think it’s a good idea to hang with that warmongering crowd, who knows?”

Yet again, you assume facts not in evidence. Because I think the Ukrainians have a right to defend themselves against an unwarranted invasion by a larger and stronger country does not mean I “hang out” with “warmongers.” Because I want to see Ukraine repel that invasion does not mean I hang out with warmongers: To the contrary, the sooner Russia is repelled the sooner this war ends. Ukraine has no territorial designs or ambitions against Russia; but Russia most certainly has such designs against Ukraine.

“Let me guess, for a little while you used to be MAGA.”

Are you with Biden’s feds? FBI? DOJ? DHS? You sound like it.


18 posted on 09/25/2022 5:09:29 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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We would be a lot better off if we listened to George Washington’s farewell address.

Exactly.

19 posted on 09/25/2022 5:09:45 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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“You pro globhomo swarmbots are so predictable.”

Nice try, Sparky.


20 posted on 09/25/2022 5:10:38 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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