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Russian Options in Ukraine: Are Nuclear Weapons Under Consideration?
Geopolitical Futures ^ | 09/20/2022 | George Friedman

Posted on 09/22/2022 9:36:35 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Last week, I discussed the nature of tactical nuclear weapons. They are built for tactical effect, not strategic effect. Strategic nuclear weapons, such as the ones dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, can devastate a large area, with both the blast and the nuclear fallout. The blast area would be devastated, and the fallout would increase the lethality and carry it a significant distance downwind. However, it must be remembered that regardless of casualties, neither city was completely abandoned, and both were populated and functioning at a reasonable level about a year after the bombs were detonated. The power of tactical nuclear weapons (depending on the type) is less than 1 percent of the Hiroshima blast, and as important, they yield little nuclear fallout.

Tactical nuclear weapons can determine the outcome of a battle but not a war, and would not make the land unlivable. Therefore, Russia’s other nuclear option is strategic: to destroy Ukrainian cities with a Hiroshima-type weapon. This option has two weaknesses. The winds in Ukraine are variable and in eastern Ukraine, for example, blow to the northeast. A strategic nuclear detonation would send fallout blowing into Russia and in this example toward Voronezh, a strategic Russian city. Any use of a strategic nuclear weapon would likely affect Russian territory.

A second risk, however unlikely, concerns the Western response. The United States, the United Kingdom and France all possess strategic nuclear weapons. Any of them might take a Russian strike on Ukraine as a potential threat to themselves, triggering an exchange. This may be farfetched and none of the three might imagine it, but in a command center, fears are magnified. Given the limited value of tactical nukes and the potential disaster of strategic nukes, Russian nuclear threats are excellent psychological warfare (unless a Russian enemy takes the threat seriously) but cannot solve Russia’s military problem.

Its problem consists of four parts.

The first is that the Russians are deployed in Ukraine as they began the war, on salients vulnerable to flank attacks, which happened. A retreat into more defensible formations would make sense but would also have serious political consequences, as it would indicate another retreat after the one in the north earlier in the war.

A second problem appears to be insufficient, poorly trained and unmotivated forces with which to mount a counterattack sufficient to force a major Ukrainian retreat.

A third problem is the long-standing Russian/Soviet problem: logistics. In order to mount a counterattack, the Russians must have not only initial supplies but also massive additional supplies arriving reliably where they are needed.

This leads to their fourth problem. U.S. satellites are providing constant, accurate intelligence on all forces, including logistical movements. In addition, U.S. artillery of various sorts is capable of cutting the Russian line of supply, leaving an offensive paralyzed. And finally, Ukrainian forces are sufficiently dispersed that a last-ditch tactical nuclear strike would likely impact the Russian offensive.

It would seem that Russia has been forced into a permanent defensive posture. If this were World War II, Russia would be able to rebound. But Russia has not fought a multidivisional war for 77 years. We saw the Russians open the war with three armored thrusts largely unable to cope with logistical problems and anti-tank weapons. In effect, they were forced to retreat from offensive missions, regroup and wind up in the position they are in. They are fighting an enemy in the same position, but one that does not have a logistical problem thanks to the U.S., which has also had its share of failure but whose most robust capability is logistics.

The Russians must obviously change the dynamic of the war if they are not going to be forced into a political settlement. The key is to pose threats to the Ukrainians from multiple directions, both tactically and strategically. Indeed, their primary need is to diffuse U.S. logistics by creating a serious military threat to another American ally or directly attacking one. It is not clear that the U.S. would be unable to supply two fronts, but it might unbalance the U.S. and force it to reduce support for Ukraine, possibly opening opportunities for Russia.

Geography provides few options for this, but the most likely ones are Moldova and Romania, two countries connected to one another. It could not be an overland offensive but would have to take advantage of the Black Sea, landing significant forces in Romania, a NATO member and host to an American naval force. To achieve this, the Russians would have to first use missiles to eliminate Ukrainian anti-ship missiles like those that sank the Moskva. Having done this, they would have to achieve and maintain air or missile superiority over the Black Sea and then land and lodge sufficient force to compel Romanian forces into combat with substantial American forces. Given that there are American naval forces outside the Bosporus, and given that NATO’s mandate or sheer necessity would force the Bosporus shut, this would pose a serious threat to the Russians. Add to this an air attack on Russian forces, and this operation would likely fail.

There are perhaps other viable diversionary actions of sufficient significance to compel the United States to divert its forces, but all of them would be built on land movements at a time when Russia is hard-pressed. An attack on the Baltics would bring a significant Polish attack on Russia’s flank, and mounting an attack on Finland, for example, would be detected and anticipated. The same is true with Romania, but with somewhat lower opportunity.

Of course, the Romanian gambit itself is highly dubious, but here we are assuming that Russia has been forced to the defense and that it is unwilling to abandon the war. Few options are attractive at this point, but the political cost of abandoning the war is enormous. If they must continue and the Russians can’t regain the initiative, then a Hail Mary is the only option.

The final option is one I wrote about before, which is massing forces in the east and then attacking Ukraine with new forces. That remains the most likely solution for Russia, assuming it can mass, train and motivate a large force. If not, Russia might achieve a poor draw, but it cannot impose its will on Ukraine.


George Friedman is an internationally recognized geopolitical forecaster and strategist on international affairs and the founder and chairman of Geopolitical Futures.

Dr. Friedman is also a New York Times bestselling author. His most recent book, THE STORM BEFORE THE CALM: America’s Discord, the Coming Crisis of the 2020s, and the Triumph Beyond, published February 25, 2020 describes how “the United States periodically reaches a point of crisis in which it appears to be at war with itself, yet after an extended period it reinvents itself, in a form both faithful to its founding and radically different from what it had been.” The decade 2020-2030 is such a period which will bring dramatic upheaval and reshaping of American government, foreign policy, economics, and culture.



His most popular book, The Next 100 Years, is kept alive by the prescience of its predictions. Other best-selling books include Flashpoints: The Emerging Crisis in Europe, The Next Decade, America’s Secret War, The Future of War and The Intelligence Edge. His books have been translated into more than 20 languages.

Dr. Friedman has briefed numerous military and government organizations in the United States and overseas and appears regularly as an expert on international affairs, foreign policy and intelligence in major media. For almost 20 years before resigning in May 2015, Dr. Friedman was CEO and then chairman of Stratfor, a company he founded in 1996. Friedman received his bachelor’s degree from the City College of the City University of New York and holds a doctorate in government from Cornell University.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: bidenswar; bidenwarmongering; nukes; putinlovertrollsonfr; putinsbuttboys; putinworshippers; russia; ukraine; zottherussiantrolls
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To: SeekAndFind

From what we’ve seen of the Russian military this year, I bet their missiles would fail to launch or break up in flight. The warheads that did arrive anywhere near the intended target would probably be duds.


21 posted on 09/23/2022 2:25:53 AM PDT by Big Brother Go to Hell
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To: Brian Griffin

Its those “experienced troops” that need to have their ranks refilled with replacements. Divisions are in brigade strength, brigades are battalions, etc. The whole Russian army needs large numbers of individual replacements.

Ex. Kherson - there are supposed to be three VDV (Airborne) divisions, a motor-rifle Division, three detached brigades, a special forces brigade, misc DNR and security (ministry of the interior) and independent artillery units there, besides engineering and service units. Full strength that lot should be close to 100,000 men on the east bank of the Dneipr. But the consensus seems to have them at 25,000.

This seems to be the case all along the line. I expect that the call-up is mainly intended to provide replacements to all the depleted units, not create new ones. Russia probably doesnt have the cadre to set up many new units from scratch, and these will take time. Russia hasnt got much time.


22 posted on 09/23/2022 2:35:12 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: telescope115

There hasnt really been that much sent over. About 400-500 tanks, all from Poland and other Euro sources, maybe 250 155mm guns, most also from Europe, aircraft spares, most also from Eastern Europe, etc. Add a rather bizarre zoo of misc armored vehicles dragged out of every European military garage.

The big US contributions are 155mm ammo, the HIMARS system (and the MLRS parts of that are also from Europe), the Javelins (but Europe has sent more ATGMs), recon and comm services, Musks’ Starlink equipment, a few HARMS, a few Harpoons (but I think these were from Norway). The US has been paying for uniforms, boots, armor, and etc, but a lot of that is from Euro sources too, along with a mass of infantry weapons. The Ukes after all have had to triple their army and largely rearm it after their ammo stocks were depleted.

All this is pretty sketchy when facing everything that Russia had. Its quite amazing how much has been done with so little.

Wars arent cheap. I think you are being very unrealistic about your expectations.

I suggest you do a deep dive into open source info as to what is actually in service in Ukraine.


23 posted on 09/23/2022 2:50:16 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Bobalu

That guy is phony baloney to the core.


24 posted on 09/23/2022 3:23:15 AM PDT by avenir (Information overload = Pattern recognition)
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To: buwaya

I will do that. Thanks for the info.


25 posted on 09/23/2022 5:28:39 AM PDT by telescope115 (Proud member of the ANTIFAuci movement. )
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To: SeekAndFind
The power of tactical nuclear weapons (depending on the type) is less than 1 percent of the Hiroshima blast

I think this statement is highly questionable. The Hiroshima bomb's yield was between 12 and 15 kilotons. I don't think there is anything in the current US arsenal with a yield of 120 to 150 tons of TNT.

The smallest nuclear weapon the US ever built -- probably the smallest ever built, period -- was the Davy Crockett, with a yield of 10 tons. It was retired in 1971. The TADM ("tactical atomic demolition munition," the original "suitcase nuke") was retired in 1966. It had a yield of 500 tons, well over the 150 ton limit.

26 posted on 09/23/2022 5:32:15 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: SeekAndFind
Fairly decent analysis overall, but the potential attack on Romania is very fanciful indeed. First off, Ukrainian anti-ship missiles are too dispersed to be eliminated, and second how will Russians land in Romania, will they swim there?

The only real threat I see is to mass another invasion force in Belarus and open a second front aimed at Kiev to relieve pressure in the east. Lukashenko would have to agree, and it would risk Polish intervention.

So far Russia has been unable to train and equip adequately much smaller forces than the current mobilization. I do not see that changing. In fact, the chaotic initial mobilization of men haphazardly strongly suggests a complete lack of planning. Mobilization results will probably vary wildly from district to district, with way too many to transport, clothe, house and feed in some areas and way too few in others. Coordinating their movement to Ukraine will be a disaster. Even if Putin manages to transport 300k poorly trained troops to Ukraine, how will he feed them? Arm them? Make them sufficiently mobile to attack?

I suspect Russian generals know this. So if Putin's bluff fails this time, he's finished.

27 posted on 09/23/2022 6:51:41 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: SeekAndFind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-BXPfRiCOw

Update on Russian military operations in Ukraine for September 21, 2022

- Referendums have been announced across Russian-held territory in Ukraine;

- If incorporated into the Russian Federation, Moscow could upgrade the special military operation significantly;

- The US Department of Defense, in a recent briefing, seems to acknowledge the limits of what aid it can provide Ukraine;

- Western analysts appear to agree that Ukraine’s offensives may have been a final gamble, exhausting their reserves and leaving them at the mercy of subsequent Russian escalations;

28 posted on 09/23/2022 8:07:06 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: buwaya

Can I ask you where your information is from?


29 posted on 09/23/2022 10:50:57 AM PDT by telescope115 (Proud member of the ANTIFAuci movement. )
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To: telescope115

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

What I recall from numerous press accounts, but here is a roundup of delivered and upcoming aid, with a fair breakdown of types. Its lacking in detail on some things like ammunition.

This is to equip an army of @700,000+ so keep that in mind.


30 posted on 09/23/2022 1:44:53 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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