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Bosch Warns Electric Vehicle Industry over Reliance on Battery Cells
breitbart.com ^ | 9/19/2022 | Lucas Nolan

Posted on 09/20/2022 10:48:32 AM PDT by rktman

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To: Blood of Tyrants
Fuel cells are a much better alternative.

Fuel cells are problematic. Hydrogen creation for fuel cells create lots of CO2, a no-no for greenies. A lot of energy goes into creating the hydrogen, that energy produced by coal and other non-green sources. Also, lots of platinum, nickel and other metal ores must be mined for fuel cells, another big problem. The energy provided by fuel cells is less efficient than the batteries in EV's. I have experimented with fuel cells and find them lacking.

61 posted on 09/20/2022 1:10:21 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: rktman

Of course. Bosch is a major player in the fuel cell business.


62 posted on 09/20/2022 1:23:10 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: Boogieman
Batteries are not a fuel source.

For EV vehicles, they are.

You're parsing words..not impressed.

63 posted on 09/20/2022 1:52:36 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Don't walk thru the watermelon patch)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Isn’t a battery more like a fuel tank?


64 posted on 09/20/2022 1:53:20 PM PDT by nascarnation (Let's go Brandon!)
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To: roadcat

Fuel cells don’t wear out.


65 posted on 09/20/2022 1:58:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every leftist is a blood-thirsty fascist yearning to be free of current societal constraints.)
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To: nascarnation
Isn’t a battery more like a fuel tank?

Isn't the fuel tank a source of fuel for the engine?

66 posted on 09/20/2022 2:01:31 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Don't walk thru the watermelon patch)
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To: Hot Tabasco

“For EV vehicles, they are.”

No, not even then. Unless you are going to try to burn batteries to power your EV.

“You’re parsing words..not impressed.”

Well, words mean things, and meaning is important. I could care less whether you are impressed.


67 posted on 09/20/2022 2:05:18 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
I could care less whether you are impressed.

How much could you care?

68 posted on 09/20/2022 2:11:31 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Don't walk thru the watermelon patch)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Exactly 0.000375% less.


69 posted on 09/20/2022 2:14:39 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Fuel cells don’t wear out.

The catalyst do wear out. Expensive platinum or other exotic materials do degrade during conversion process.

70 posted on 09/20/2022 2:14:52 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Fuel cells don’t wear out.

Per studies: "In experiments, alloying platinum with a transition metal, such as nickel, have proven to be very effective catalysts. However, they don’t last as long as desired, as the fuel cell’s interior also corrodes alloy’s atomic surface structure. According to U.S. Department of Energy targets, fuel cell systems should last for 8,000 hours of operation, however so far, they have not reached 5,000 hours."

5,000 hours will get you two years of use when operated 8 hours a day. An EV battery will last 15 to 20 years and still have over half it's energy use available. Fuel cells do wear out, faster than conventional lithium-ion batteries.

71 posted on 09/20/2022 2:20:27 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Hot Tabasco

Yes

Fuel tank || gasoline

Battery || electrical charge


72 posted on 09/20/2022 2:23:21 PM PDT by nascarnation (Let's go Brandon!)
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To: TexasGator
Some places like the Grapevine are miles downhill and brakes and/or using lower gear are required to maintain a safe speed.

What happens if you are traveling up the grapevine and traffic is halted for hours because of a snow storm?

73 posted on 09/20/2022 2:32:36 PM PDT by EVO X ( )
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To: TexasGator

Then there’s this https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/tesla-megapack-battery-fire-spurs-shelter-in-place-warning-in-california/ar-AA1231HF


74 posted on 09/20/2022 3:10:54 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (Let's go Brandon)
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To: roadcat

How many people use their vehicle 8 hours a day?


75 posted on 09/20/2022 3:16:11 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every leftist is a blood-thirsty fascist yearning to be free of current societal constraints.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Train derailment, fire, forces West Virginia evacuation

https://news.yahoo.com/photos/train-derailment-fire-forces-west-virginia-evacuation-slideshow/


76 posted on 09/20/2022 3:16:24 PM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florida)
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To: roadcat

Also, I know an EV battery has only about 25% of normal range in cold weather.


77 posted on 09/20/2022 3:17:07 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every leftist is a blood-thirsty fascist yearning to be free of current societal constraints.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

https://www.rockauto.com/Newsletter/archives/7-21-22.html

About how much does the battery in the new electric Hummer pickup weigh?

A. 3,000 lbs. (1,326 kg)

B. as much as a 1967 Camaro

C. as much as a 1984 Dodge Caravan

D. all the above

Answer below

Answer: D. all the above (sources: https://www.motortrend.com/features... | https://jalopnik.com/model-bloat... | https://www.allpar.com/threads...)


78 posted on 09/20/2022 3:17:13 PM PDT by Clay Moore (My pistol identifies as a cordless hole punch)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

79 posted on 09/20/2022 3:19:08 PM PDT by TexasGator ( Gator in Florida)
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To: bak3r

“You are sold the idea of trading a superior product for an inferior one, then the inferior one is even more inferior then promised?”

and there are always a couple of Freepers peddling the lemons and pretending it is lemonade.


80 posted on 09/20/2022 3:21:10 PM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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