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To: Brian Griffin

“the killing and destruction would stop.” (If there was an armistice)

Not in the areas controlled by Russia. They would continue the “filtration” of the captive population, systematic torture and murder of opponents, indoctrination of children, and forced population transfers;/ to permanently solidify any temporary gains they have, as they did after their 2014 invasion and ceasefire.

Russia keeps biting, and needs to have its teeth removed.


101 posted on 09/10/2022 3:37:47 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo

I shall close with...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xguvt4-yNZY

Actually might be a SAM, but, same result either way.


115 posted on 09/10/2022 4:32:28 AM PDT by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: BeauBo

This is true. Russia has to my knowledge signed five multilateral agreements with Ukraine that:

- fixed its borders to the 1992 borders
- included promises never to invade (under any circumstances, ever!)

Note also that the majority of Ukraine that has been pounded into rubble, and the majority of civilians killed, are the Russian speakers from South and East Ukraine... the very same people the Special Military Operation was supposed to be protecting.

If you aggregate the total of confirmed deaths in the conflict from 2014 to 2019 (14,400 including 4,400 Ukrainian combatants, 6,517 DPR/LPR combatants, 400 Russian regulars, and 3,404 civilians on both sides, PLUS foreigners and the passengers on Malaysia Airlines Flight 17), you get a kill rate of around 2050 a year across all demographics. (Note, there are no demographics from any source that even suggest that all 3,404 civilians were on the pro-Russian side only AND were all killed by Ukrainian Nazis, but let’s assume for arguments’ sake they were, i.e. the “genocide” was killing Russian speaking civilians at a rate of 426 per year).

The Special Military Operation has resulted in the deaths of a minimum of 80,000 people just in and around Mariupol, with a total in the 115,000 ballpark if bodies that are yet to be identified are included. This works out at 120,000 a year pro-rata.

Even if we massage the statistics massively to make pro-separatist Russians look like the only victims here, the rate ACTUALLY went from 426 a year (on average) to 40,000 a year (a third of the first half year total if we pretend that the other 2/3 were either combatants or Azov Nazi sympathisers)- meaning the average Russian Ukrainian is 94 TIMES more likely to die in the Special Military Operation than they were likely to die during the “genocide”.

What the Putinards don’t seem to get is, it’s the Russian Ukrainians who are making this observation - they might be keeping silent, but it must be obvious to them now that swapping the soft boot of Kyiv for the jackboot of the Kremlin has been a complete, unmitigated disaster. They would’ve been far better off if Russia had washed its hands of the Donbas and left the DPR and Azov duking it out.


124 posted on 09/10/2022 6:37:21 AM PDT by MalPearce
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