Posted on 09/07/2022 8:42:06 AM PDT by elpadre
NEW YORK, UN. Sept 7 (Interfax) - UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres said on Tuesday he believes that the area around the Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant should become a demilitarized zone, while the Ukrainian side should pledge not to move into this territory.
"An agreement on a demilitarized perimeter should be secured," Guterres said at a UN Security Council meeting.
"That would include the commitment by Russian forces to withdraw all the military personnel and the equipment from this perimeter and the commitment by the Ukrainian forces not to move into it," he said.
"The Zaporizhzhya facility and its surrounding must not be a target or a platform for military operations," Guterres said.
If the UN wants this then it is probably a bad idea.
In a world of hypersonic missiles, a demilitarized zone is meaningless.
VLADIVOSTOK. Sept 7 (Interfax) - Russia is ready to cooperate with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in the provision of the security of the Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant, and permanent work of the IAEA mission at that site is important, head of the Russian Rosatom state nuclear energy corporation Alexei Likhachev told Interfax on Wednesday.
“The answer to this question is definitely yes. We are ready,” Likhachev said on the sidelines of the Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok in response to a question whether Russia was ready to cooperate with the IAEA in the provision of the Zaporizhzhya NPP security.
“We will do everything we can to ensure safe operation of the power plant exclusively in contact with the IAEA. That’s for starters. Secondly, I would like to reaffirm the significance of this mission. Its permanent continuation at the site is of paramount importance,” Likhachev said.
“I’d like to note that the IAEA employees, from the director general to drivers, have demonstrated huge personal courage in the course of this mission. Thirdly, we should clearly think not just in today’s categories but also in prospective categories and consider every issue related to the Zaporizhzhya NPP operation in a systemic manner,” he said.
The Zaporizhzhya NPP is the largest nuclear power plant in Europe. It operates six VVER-1000 power units, the first of which was put into operation in December 1984 and the sixth in October 1995.
The Russian army has been in control of the Zaporizhzhya NPP since February 28, 2022.
That makes no sense. Russia occupies the site because it’s safe zone where they can’t be attacked. For them it’s the safest place to stage supplies they desperately need. The photos showed inspectors walking past military truck after military truck. The Russians have zero incentive to give up this golden warehouse. What incentive would persuade the Russians to leave? Removing sanctions? While the UN would give them anything they asked for, that’s not going to happen.
The workers are all Ukrainian. Why would Ukraine not move in to take control of an area where there are only Ukrainians? Even if they didn’t the end effect as far as the Russians are concerned would be the same.
The suggestion is grade school level thinking. We can work all of this out if only everyone would play nice.
“In a world of hypersonic missiles, a demilitarized zone is meaningless.”
Totally agree, but let’s not forget the awesome value of socialist virtue signaling!
gonna send in the blue helmets?
“If the UN wants this then it is probably a bad idea.”
What the UN wants is an excuse to deploy “Peacekeepers” to the newly established DMZ, budget the deployment for 100 times what it’s worth and have the US foot most of the bill (as usual). The UN needs to go away...
If you read the inspector report...
https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/IAEA-calls-for-nuclear-safety-exclusion-zone-aroun
The answers are clear. The civilian workers are not being treated well, they’re stressed out, there’s insufficient cover, and on top of all that they’re having Russians who don’t know what processes they should be following, giving them contradictory instructions.
Doubling the workload effectively.
The Ukrainian energy authority and its staff know what they’re doing. It’s the presence of Russians that is interfering with the safety operations. The presence of Ukrainian military wouldn’t solve anything there; it’d just create another group of distractions and duplications of effort.
Note, the report doesn’t blame Ukraine or Russia for the rockets... But it does unequivocally state, military operations inside the plant are not conducive to plant safety.
It doesn’t matter that Russian forces have cottoned onto the benefit of using the reactor rooms as bases - that means they’re using a NPP as a shield. If you think that’s a morally defensible thing to do, then why not say human shields are morally defensible too. After all, blowing up the human shield is less likely to create a nuclear accident than blowing up a NPP.
and on top of all that they’re having Russians who don’t know what processes they should be following, giving them contradictory instructions.
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I am not buying that bunk. The Russians designed and built those power plants.
Small problem with everything you posted.
The IAEA reports to both the General Assembly and the Security Council of the UN, why exactly should we believe ANYTHING they put in a report?
I agree it is horrible to use a NPP as a military base, I also believe NOTHING from any organization aligned with the UN can be trusted.
Honestly, this can be just as much an issue of the Ukraine government operatives making the Plant unsafe as the Russians. Is it not just a believable that the workers are being disruptive as Ukraine government agents?
Almost 40 years ago. Two out of 6 reactors were fully constructed in Soviet times, three were built by post Soviet companies established after the breakup of the USSR, and the sixth was constructed over a decade later.
The structures and underlying machinery might not have changed much but Ukraine was not still using 1980s Soviet monitoring kit in their 21st century modernized installations.
The IAEA report doesn’t itemize the replacement kit but it’s pretty clear they used European kit (see pages 32-35).
This was a result of a project started in 2011 to bring safety into line with international standards in preparation for its integration into the European grid.
Soviet Union nuclear scientists and engineers know what they’re doing... With the Soviet kit. That doesn’t automatically mean they’re qualified to maintain the vastly more up-to-date kit at the Enerhodar plant.
Especially not the reactor that wasn’t constructed to Soviet era blueprints.
The IAEA report is here.
https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/22/09/ukraine-2ndsummaryreport_sept2022.pdf
With these gymnastics, you should be on the Russian Olympic team!
The Russians don’t deny that they are adding to the workload of the civilian staff, and don’t deny that there are fewer staff in rotation.
How desperate do you need to be for Russia to be in the right that you’d argue that a workforce that’s spent years maintaining and modernising a 6 reactor NPP that’s much bigger than Chernobyl, and relocated to the city slap bang next door to it, would risk a disaster three times bigger than Chernobyl?
Only one country on the planet issued reckless orders to create the Chernobyl accident: Russia.
Only one country in the world had troops so ignorant of what happened in ‘86 that they merrily gave themselves lethal doses of radiation digging in the hot ground, in addition to screwing with the safety at Chernobyl after over 2 decades of massive coordinated international effort to make it safe: Russia.
Only one country in the world thinks it’s okay to use a live nuclear reactor plant’s internal halls as store rooms: Russia.
Only one country in the world thought that 1 day was sufficient to do a comprehensive safety report. Oh, dear, that’s Russia. Again.
And despite all that, you think that the ENTIRE REST OF THE NOT RUSSIAN WORLD that wouldn’t do anything so stupid as what Russia has done AND KEEPS DOING, is trying to make Russia look bad.
The report studiously avoids saying anything that Russia could be offended by. The one big observation they have made is aimed at both sides; any military presence in the plant COMBINED WITH any interference in safety operations COMBINED WITH an overworked, stressed,reduced civilian staff complement is a massive, unacceptable safety risk.
Their message is aimed at Ukraine just as much as it is aimed at Russia. Neither side should have that NPP under military control.
Go ahead and keep beleiving the UN stoodges, that always works out well.
I’d rather believe the UN given they’ve provided comprehensive evidence to support their conclusions, than believe a Russia that never even feels the need to prove that anything it claims is true.
Russia keeps saying Ukraine is shelling the plant.
Two rockets still embedded in the ground, that the UN looked at, are pointed toward the Uke positions.
Unless these missiles are like Australian boomerangs, they HAD to come from Russian positions.
Russian explanation is, the rockets fid J-turns on landing.
This is Biden Derangement Syndrome dialed up to 11, beyond any rational limitations and all common sense.
How can you be so hell bent on raging against Globohomo that you’re prepared to accept by far the most stupid Russian defense ever to be given in an obvious “Russia got caught-red-handed” situation?
Jesus wept. If I rob a bank and get caught in the act, can I have you on the jury?
I’d only have to say “I’m a Russian and the CCTV was brought to you by Globohomo and all the bank customers and staff are conspiring in an attempt to frame me and my shotgun cocked itself, I’M THE VICTIM HERE!!!” and you’d acquit without a second thought!
Yep, same Un whose peacekeepers have bene caught numerous times raping women and children wholesale, same UN who want global de-population, same UN who pushes covid hysteria and the clot shot, same Un that is populated by 90% communist countries and puts some of the worst countries as the head of Human and Women’s rights committees, same Un that has promoted extreme prejudice and anti-Semite hatred for Israel.
The documented evidence from the UN is worth as much as all their lying climate change data and covid studies. What is hilarious is you somehow seem to believe anything the UN presents should actually be be believed.
The bit about Biden Derangement exposes you for the corrupt lying liberal you are. Biden’s corruption is well shown in his son and the stream of lies he spouts, most recently his denying he knew about the Trump raid when literally his administration agreed they could remove Trumps executive privilege. They did this before the raid solely to allow a justification for the warrant. Russia is bad, Ukraine is bad and the UN is bad, NOTHING should be taken at face value from any of them.
The IAEA is a governance/audit institution not a humanitarian NGO, it’s operationally independent of the United Nations, and it operates from Austria, Canada and Japan.
It often reports its findings to the UN, and it is often accompanied by UN staff, but is not a UN organisation.
175 countries are members of the IAEA. North Korea was in it, until it withdrew - during the period when Hans Blix was the head of the inspection team.
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