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To: rlmorel

“ Doesn’t mean you don’t speak your mind to your boss.”

Nothing makes me as sick as this kind of lukewarm ignorant statement

He voiced his disagreement with the CIC as a subordinate to the world.

You make me sick


70 posted on 09/06/2022 7:52:05 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

Really? I think you misunderstand my statement.

I am in no way supporting his voicing his disagreement as a subordinate to the world. Not sure how you got that.

Did my statement not say EXACTLY “Doesn’t mean you don’t speak your mind to your boss”?

That means exactly what it says. You speak your mind to the boss. It DOES NOT mean you go outside your chain of command.

As a subordinate, my whole life, both in and out of the military, is that I speak my mind and render my honest opinions to those above me, and experience has shown me that any boss worth his salt values that.

I thought I was wholly clear that I lost ALL respect for Mattis when he did that.

And I would have had a whole lot less respect for him if he DID NOT speak his honest mind directly to his boss, which was Trump.

I do not believe you understood my post, and I don’t think my post was unclear.


71 posted on 09/06/2022 7:59:45 PM PDT by rlmorel (Nolnah's Razor: Never attribute to incompetence that which is adequately explained by malice.)
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To: stanne; rlmorel
Trying to piece together what got you (stanne) all hot about with rmorel's posts - can't see the slightest difference in what the two of you were saying. Is it possible, stanne, that you were indulging in a little early drinking?

To get my own oar in the water, I knew all three of the Marines working in President Trump's cabinet: Jim Mattis, John Kelly, and Randolph "Tex" Alles. Honestly, I liked Jim Mattis and his many outlandish statements because he embodied the "connected to his troops" Marine leader that I have always admired. John Kelly was always an arrogant, self-satisfied guy but had a kind streak to him mixed in him. "Tex" is not somebody I will discuss.

It was profoundly disappointing that Jim Mattis and John Kelly have both publicly and vocally spoken badly about President Trump. It is a violation of our creed and our customs to do that. Disagreeing in private is important and expected - but publicly it absolutely not done - so I am disappointed with those gentlemen.

I am also disappointed that neither Mattis nor Kelly - or more that a handfull of senior officers, have spoken against the idiot "inclusive" policies that are being pushed on our military services. The armed forces - and particularly the Marines - cannot afford to dilute their combat effectiveness to please vocal interest groups. In combat, every member of the team has to be loyal to the team and any diminution of that cohesion will cause more casualties and likely defeat.

I spent 27 years in the Marine Corps and of that time 15 months in combat. No serious officer would even contemplate damaging a winning formula.

87 posted on 09/07/2022 6:24:05 AM PDT by Chainmail (Harrassment, to be effective, must be continuous.)
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