Posted on 08/31/2022 8:25:13 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
They're ideal commuter vehicles, assuming the buyer has a garage where the vehicle can be charged at night.
They're not practical IMHO because of their high price. Tesla's the price leader (the junk by Chinese companies notwithstanding) and they remain premium-priced afaic.
New gasoline vehicles make more sense than do used gasoline vehicles, provided they A) get better fuel economy, which is simple to find, and B) actually sell for or near their posted prices (which they don't).
Whether gasoline or electric (or hybrid) cars are much more complicated now, and the more complicated they get, the shorter their first-owner life will be (particularly hybrids).
Hybrids could be good, but they don't pay off with significantly higher fuel economy because half of the drive train is dead weight 100 percent of the time, and because, well, that's the main reason. They don't rate that much higher than run-of-the-mill gasoline-only vehicles, and finding a 40+ mpg gasoline-only isn't that difficult. Finding them *in stock* can be a bit fun.
The one plus to hybrids is, not much new to learn -- just get gas a little less often, still needs oil changes and other maintenance, and roll the dice on eventual resale value.
“Joe Biden’s push for electric vehicles does not take into consideration that the U.S. depends on China for the components for building batteries.”
I think the “big guy” is completely aware that the CCP will get a LOT of business from EV’s.
EVs make sense for light driving around town - until electricity prices skyrocket.
Personally, I’d want a detached garage for an EV. Have you seen the videos of them catching fire?
Yesterday I saw a tow truck in Fresno lifting a Tesla onto its bed. I laughed out loud. When EVs run out of charge they must be towed to a charging station.
Is the size of the dots the range one would reasonably want to drive to get to one? Otherwise, you can just make them 1/2 inch and the whole map will be red.
There are 7 dots in my state and none anywhere near me, and this is probably true for a very large majority of those living here.
Maybe the charging stations are being built where political leanings can get them advantage.
It doesn’t matter how many chargers they build if they’re not building power plants.
Unfortunately, I am noticing. An I am suspecting that, while they plan to move to EVs, they are not expecting there to be all that many EVs they need to charge.
>> They are intended to limit mobility range and be remotely controllable. <<
Scary truth: They don’t need to be electric to have these “features.”
“Yep, I’m planning to do a 700 mile (each way) road trip over a holiday weekend. Given recharges needed and demand for charging spots it’s not possible with any current electric car”
Tesla Model S gets 752 miles of range with ONE’s new energy-dense battery pack
https://electrek.co/2022/01/05/tesla-model-s-752-miles-range-one-energy-dense-battery-pack/
“You still can’t convince me that either A/C or heating doesn’t kill a battery charge by 50% of normal range. Those take a LOT of energy.”
A typical EV uses about 300 watthr per mile. After cool down (can be done prior to unplugging). the AC draws about 1kw or 1 hwhr in an hour.
At 60 mph that is about 17 watthrs per mile. Not even close to 50%.
“Rail. But we would still need something to move the cargo from the rail yard to the warehouse.”
Just scratching the surface here....
You’re talking about ending the JITS system (Just In Time Supply) the entire world now operates on and returning to a early 20th century system where everything from raw materials to finished products are warehoused awaiting orders.
Rail was used earlier in history because it was the ONLY practical way to transport items across the country. Then the modern trucking industry came into being and proved much more economical than the rail system.
Old factories all had rail lines leading to them. Producers bought a box car of product, had the box car delivered and unloaded quickly before they were hit with a delay penalty by the railroad.
Rail can be an add on to the trucking industry but not replace it without more economic pain than you can imagine.
And do you want everything produced, transported and sold in this country in the hands of ONE union?
This is a really good way to measure outright stupidity. So now we know what percentage of the populace is outright stupid.
Electric bills in my area have tripled from approximately $200 to $600 locally. Most of the bills are offset charged by the providers.
hmmmmm....At what point do you choose between heating and air and charging you car?
What will the charges be in comparison with gasoline?
Is the price of gas being forced up by the Biden administration to mold public opinion towards electric cars?
“Is the size of the dots the range one would reasonably want to drive to get to one? “
No.
“When EVs run out of charge they must be towed to a charging station.”
You keep repeating that lie!
In 2011 I got a job that was and 84 mile commute from my house. I went car shopping, and did a lot of number crunching. The hybrids just weren’t worth it.
I got a Mazda 2 that would get 40+ if I was easy on the gas and kept the speed down. Brand new it was 13k. Couldn’t touch a hybrid for less that 25k, and the highway mileage was no different.
All the benefit form a hybrid comes from the regenerative braking, So no benefit for long commutes.
If 28% are thinking to themselves (Hey... this would work for my short daily commute to work) then they might be right.
But for towing, hauling, vacations or longer range commutes I don’t think we have the technology or charging infrastructure for that yet.
“Electric bills in my area have tripled from approximately $200 to $600 locally. Most of the bills are offset charged by the providers.”
My bills are essentially the same now as when I moved here in 2014.
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