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Ukraine launches counter-offensive to retake Kherson from Russia
The Telegraph ^ | August 29, 2022 | Joe Barnes

Posted on 08/29/2022 8:33:51 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

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To: FreshPrince
Repeating what the very wise achilles2000 wrote in post 22:

FYI

Ukrainian troops launched an offensive in Mykolaiv and Kherson regions in three directions, suffered heavy losses — Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

During the Ukrainian offensive, 26 Ukrainian tanks, 23 BMPs were destroyed, two Su-25 attack aircraft were shot down — Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

During the Ukrainian offensive, 26 Ukrainian tanks, 23 BMPs were destroyed, two Su-25 attack aircraft were shot down — Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

The enemy lost more than 560 servicemen: Russian Defense Ministry

41 posted on 08/29/2022 8:40:23 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: MercyFlush
I say Ukraine forces Russia to quit Kherson by September 30th. If they do then you donate $100 to Free Republic

If they don’t then I donate $100 to Free Republic.

It's a bet. I have you have the $100 to spare because there is zero chance of that happening.

Will you also admit you, foolishly, believed Biden regime propaganda when it doesn't happen? Reality is going to hit you hard.

42 posted on 08/29/2022 8:44:26 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

Good then. It’s on.


43 posted on 08/30/2022 4:11:32 AM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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To: Gunslingr3

Intelligent organizations always prepare for contingencies, but I guess that is beyond you.


44 posted on 08/30/2022 6:10:25 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Paul R.

The missiles for HIMARS in possession of the UFA has a 23.5 kg warhead. A missile we haven’t given them is not relevant to what has happened or will happen to those bridges. I do agree that a 500 kg warhead would do far more significant damage.


45 posted on 08/30/2022 6:15:27 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: achilles2000
They’re using a ferry instead of a bridge.

Are you intelligent enough to understand they’re doing so because the bridge isn’t ‘fine’?

When the Russians retreat from the north bank and abandon Kherson, will you spin it as a Russian feint, a goodwill gesture, or will you recognize it as a Russian defeat?

46 posted on 08/30/2022 6:55:41 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3; Kazan; Cathi; delta7; NorseViking; JonPreston

You have no idea what they are doing. There are also pontoon bridges, and the potholes in the roadways on the Antonovsky bridge and other bridges are easy to repair. Cost/benefit...millions of dollars of missiles to make potholes vs. a handful of Uzbeks and a cement mixer. You are either a Biden administration troll or a dumbass. As for the vaunted “Kherson counteroffensive”, can you describe in detail what the results have been? All you have are stories from the same sources that gave you the “Ghost of Kiev”, “Snake Island”, “Miss Ukraine”, “Mass Rape”, and “Bucha” hoaxes.


47 posted on 08/30/2022 7:28:11 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: achilles2000
You have no idea what they are doing

I do know what they’re doing. They’re using a ferry instead of a bridge. You don’t do that when the bridge is ‘fine’ because it is horrendously inefficient.

I asked you a question but you dodged it. Let’s put an answer on the record from you so we can review it in the future:

To wit:

When the Russians retreat from the north bank and abandon Kherson, will you spin it as a Russian feint, a goodwill gesture, or will you recognize it as a Russian defeat?

Which will it be?

48 posted on 08/30/2022 9:18:03 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: achilles2000

https://t.me/s/rezident_ua/13839

legitimate
#Layout #Rumors

We talked to our sources among the military, who clearly told us that the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which was organized by the Office of the President, is mostly window dressing, which will not result in anything serious, except for high-profile PR actions, hype statements about the capture and liberation of a couple of villages without specifying the names, raids of bot farms with the dispersal of slogans with an attempt to create an illusion in order to cheer up the rear, and not the soldiers on the front line, who know the whole kitchen from the inside and are still silent, since it’s not time yet to disperse the “bad cases”. Perhaps the goal is to provoke the rear again to chip in for the army or to demand more money and weapons from the West, passing off wishful thinking. After all, the Western press immediately began to disperse that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were already right at Kherson and almost at the borders with Crimea, and the Russians were fleeing en masse. But the strategy pursued by Bankovaya does not solve the problem at the root, but only delays it, thereby exacerbating the situation.

The way out of this situation is to stop engaging in populism, stop pursuing situational political goals, as was the case with the loss of Severodonetsk-Lysichansk and the village of Peski.

If we realize the level of loss, then one fortified area in the village of Peski is more expensive and strategically more important than hundreds of villages that the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot take.

You have to be clear about yourself. The Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot afford to go on the offensive, lose hundreds of dead soldiers in a matter of hours and lose their already scarce armor. The trump card of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is the defense of lines and pulling the enemy. The rest is suicide and miscalculation.

When the military is led by politicians, nothing good comes of it.

Resident
Colleagues, our source immediately said yesterday that you were probing the front, but there was no full-scale counteroffensive yet. The illusion of an attack is needed to change the negative trend in the West that has been taking shape over the past two months and has become more and more visible in the international media.
The dumps of the OP dispersed the victory all day, and then they wrote that silence was needed at the front and the counteroffensive had already begun! All this hype is necessary in order to create in the West the illusion of a change in the situation at the front, that the conflict is not frozen, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine can retake territories. Only on Bankovaya again they did not take into account several factors: firstly, there will not be many such probings of the front, due to heavy losses, and secondly, everyone will soon understand that the counteroffensive is not real.
Well they got that right. It appears Ukraine had a bad day. The Russian Ministry of Defense just updated their report of yesterday’s counter offensive.

https://t.me/s/mod_russia

As a result of the defeat of the offensive of the Ukrainian troops carried out on the personal orders of Zelensky in the Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog and other directions, the enemy suffered large-scale losses.

📊The effective actions of the Russian group of troops destroyed 48 tanks, 46 infantry fighting vehicles, 37 other armored fighting vehicles, 8 pickup trucks with heavy machine guns and more than 1,200 Ukrainian servicemen in a day.

◽️When repulsing the enemy offensive, Russian troops defeated units of the 128th Separate Mountain Assault Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine transferred to participate in the operation from western Ukraine. Five servicemen of this brigade laid down their arms and surrendered.


49 posted on 08/30/2022 9:36:57 AM PDT by Cathi
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To: Gunslingr3; delta7; NorseViking; Cathi; JonPreston

You “know” but you have offered no evidence that you do, so let me help you with a report that is probably pretty accurate:
“In general, on the counterattack on Kherson.

1. In the area of ​​Blagodatny, the enemy attacked, suffered losses, retreated to the starting points.
2. In the area of ​​​​Snigirevka, they attacked, suffered losses, retreated to the starting points.
3. In the area of ​​​​Andreevka, the situation is not completely clear, there are reports that the enemy advanced several kilometers to the village of Sukhoi Stavok and even took it. So far, without photo / video evidence, the fighting continues there.
4. In the Davydov Brod area, the front remains stable.
5. In the area of ​​Vysokopolye, Olgovka and Potemkino, the attacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were unsuccessful.

Accordingly, if the enemy fails to achieve some success and consolidate them in the area of ​​​​the village of Sukhoi Stavok, the “offensive” will turn out to be completely rotten.”

The Military Summary Channel will shortly give a report on events in very granular detail.

Not looking good, is it?

As for your fixation on ferries, as I pointed out, in addition to ferries there are pontoon bridges (and airlift), which are contingency measures. The bridges are not down and they get repaired by the Uzbeks with their cement mixer after the odd HIMARS strike. You obviously aren’t acquainted with engineering, but the MLRS systems they use currently aren’t close to powerful enough to structurally damage the bridges. So, contrary to the bogus stories planted in the media by the Biden administration/MI6/ and the Ukies, the Russians have use of the bridges with the occasional interruption and plenty of contingency resources.

If the UFA takes Kherson, it would be a defeat, but not the end of the war.

Now go troll people who think British sources and the US MSM are “news”.

Last I hear, the UFA has lost over 1,200 men and a lot of armor. Use Google Earth and look at what the UFA had to advance across. Then you might understand something...but, wait, trolls don’t care about understanding anything or the truth.


50 posted on 08/30/2022 10:04:26 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: achilles2000
If the UFA takes Kherson, it would be a defeat, but not the end of the war.

It would be a defeat to place alongside the retreat from Snake Island, the retreat from Nikolaev, the retreat from Kiev, the retreat from Chernigov, the retreat from Sumy, and the retreat from Kharkov.

But definitely not the end of the war.

51 posted on 08/30/2022 12:39:53 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: achilles2000

Now go troll people who think British sources and the US MSM are “news”.
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Very true, but you need to add “ all western MSM media”. It appears the Ukie war cheerleaders forgot Trump’s warning about corrupted western media. They will believe what their emotions tell them to.

That said, western MSM MUST distort, omit, even lie as the very survival of the US and West is at stake. When Vlad finishes taking what he chooses to take, the world will see how weak and inept the US and EU leadership has become and our enemies and detractors will be encouraged to attack.

That said, the world already knows which side of the bread is “ buttered”. They know Russia has what they need, food, fertilizer, metals, commodities, oil, energy. The total panic and shut downs in the EU speaks volumes, for all the world to see.


52 posted on 08/30/2022 4:33:57 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

Agreed. The Ukies have been unable to hold any territory that they have attempted to regain. They simply can not withstand Ivan’s brutal artillery attacks, 24/7, 70,000-200,000 rounds a day.

Being very familiar with Ivan, the west simply does not understand Vlad will NEVER give up any ethnic Russian territory he has taken. His citizens back him, his Congress backs him, and much of the world does not denounce his actions ( for fear of being cut off from his huge wealth, energy, food, etc).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwaHlnjY4m0

I do know IF Vlad decides to mobilize his military ( they have not), his 1.5 million + man army which is solely reserved for any NATO attacks, then there will be all hell breaking loose.

Until then, we can watch Vlad methodically take, incrementally, all the Russian areas of Ukraine he desires, and the EU and West simply can not stop him. Vlad currently holds all the cards.


53 posted on 08/30/2022 4:57:55 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

For Ukraine’s last offensive, on Donetsk, Aug 28th 2014. Yes, 2014. This Ukrainian incursion started this whole clown show. Worth watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoizxxEJztI


54 posted on 08/30/2022 5:05:00 PM PDT by delta7
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